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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back to the midnight hour

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my name is stephen cambion

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also known as the mystery man

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bringing you

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well tonight friends tonight is no

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different tonight we're going to be

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talking about

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the possibility that aliens intervened

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with human evolution or creation

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now i realized talking about aliens

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somehow being involved

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in the creation

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or the evolution

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of humanity is crazy

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but if you stop and think about it it's

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no crazier than believing that some

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divine being

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made us

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all in seven days

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millions of people around the world

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i grew up catholic i believed in god

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but even i

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it flies in the face of logic so i went

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looking for other explanations

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and somewhere along the line i found

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what most people call the ancient alien

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theory

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later i found a great deal of that to be

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suspect

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from the mistranslations

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by sitchin to

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the fantasies

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a lot of that is just not credible

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it doesn't ring true

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on further examination

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but it's worth taking a second look

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at some researchers

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some great researchers who are doing

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amazing

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research into

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human origins

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in many cases some of these researchers

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are proving

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proving that what we were taught about

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human evolution human origins

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the creation of humanity

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may not be the real story

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my guest tonight is none other than

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bruce fenton one of those credible

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researchers who has been diving deep

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into this thing for years and years and

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years

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this is a person

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who i wanted to talk to

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i wanted to find out what made him so

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passionate in his belief

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that this may be

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what drove him in his search in his

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into this theory to find the actual

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truth

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and what evidence could he share with me

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folks

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tonight's going to be mind-blowing so

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sit back

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relax

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i actually like most of the stuff that i

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hear you talk about and i agree with you

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a lot i've got this big list of

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the first thing that i'd like to ask you

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it's personal experiences i mean i'd had

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very odd experiences going back to 2002

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i had a kind of a shamanic journey where

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i found myself

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actually in the you know the body of

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what i would have to call a kind of a

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non-human you know like a humanoid

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extraterrestrial in a craft

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um in a blue uniform and it was you know

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flying a craft towards the earth and you

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some sort of big event that happened

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that a lot of beings had died and it was

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it was part of a you know there were

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several you know united i don't know if

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you it's a traumatic journey and there

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was other things that happened that were

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literally nothing to do with this you

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know jumping into that scene and then

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then other stuff and like at the time i

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had no context for that um it was just

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like one of the strange things that

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happened during this sort of journey

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right but then years later you know

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after all sorts of other strange things

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i happened upon this work uh by this

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lady valerie barrow which obviously is

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the book i i kind of cite as being the

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in space and these these tall beings and

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it was hard not to connect the two to be

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honest so it had a personal feeling like

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oh my god that actually reminds me so

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much of what i experienced on that

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shamanic journey that you know there was

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a very intense emotional feeling that

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story so that you know whether it really

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life journey at least you know that it

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filled in an answer to oh heck maybe

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this is connected to what i experienced

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experiences back in 2012

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um which really again connected that you

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what you know we'd have to call again

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some kind of you know extraterrestrial

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interdimensional or you know whatever i

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call it but um and again

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had a sense of relationship because of

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the beings involved talking about

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connection to the pleiades and again in

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valerie's work you know there's this

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connection with the pleiades and now i'm

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aware that the pleiades comes up all

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over the place you know both in new age

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indigenous cultural understandings you

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know whether we go to australia or south

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america or even indonesia you know

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reticuli when it comes to yeah it comes

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billy mayer case of course is you know

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pleiades you know saying the new agey

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ufo contact community you know of course

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it's a common theme so i mean i'd

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understand when people hear that they

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often think you know god you know we're

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going into the you know that really kind

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of airy fairy new age

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um which is not it's really not my thing

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um so i mean i

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that that was another aspect that was

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the other person again the other

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personal contacts the stuff that my wife

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had experiences i'd had that really made

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me feel that it was worth exploring the

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material in the book and seeing whether

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it was indeed valid you know whether it

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was just you know a story uh or whether

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it really as it seemed you know might be

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like a genuine transmission from an

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intelligence wanting us to validate that

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it existed

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right that's pretty deep and then you

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say that that book had a lot of

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similarities from your own experience

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i guess yeah yeah particularly with my

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experience yes with the experience i'd

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had years before when i i'd never heard

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of the book at the time just to be so

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my understanding is that the the book

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altruinga when the first ancestors were

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created by valerie barrow which is

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against the main source that was

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published back in 2002 which is actually

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shamanic sort of visionary experience

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sort of funnily enough but so i mean i i

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certainly didn't know it existed you

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the events in the book are from 1994 i

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believe so you know so she

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wrote them up and eventually published

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you know what had happened you know with

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her and you know this whole complex

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situation but yeah i certainly i didn't

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called stephen and evan strong who i

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connected topics i mean the out of

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africa sorry out of australia kind of

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theory uh which i deal with in my

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forgotten exodus into africa book that

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they also tackle that in their work they

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also have an interest in this

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there's sort of the contact and contact

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type stuff so we collaborated on a book

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called ancient aliens in australia and

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it was near the end of writing that book

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that they then made me aware of valerie

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barrow and they said you know there's

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actually this lady she's published this

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overlaps with some of the stuff that you

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my wife and i had sort of told them

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about our personal experiences and they

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said you know you'll probably find this

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relevant you know you should check out

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the book

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and that that's actually how i came to

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know about it because valerie's also

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australian and so they'd physically met

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so it was then that i sort of dived into

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that and

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found that yeah that there were overlaps

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earlier event in my life so it started

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to tie together and to be honest there

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was other things you know people that i

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i know there's another researcher called

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leonard farah who's got a series of

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books on the pleiades legacy

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um and he deals with the pleiades

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connection in the old world the new

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world and also i believe in the the

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stone age or free books on that and some

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of his work he shared with me and in

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a sitting with a very famous meeting

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called jerry sherrick who i think is now

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passed on but he was connected with the

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the enfield poltergeist case if you if

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you know that one um which became the

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recently became the movie the which i

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think it's called isn't the end for paul

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guys to say one of the

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one of these um you know spooky horror

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films

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but basically one of the mediums

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involved with the actual case you know

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he was sitting with him and during that

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they had

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a contact with a spirit or at least

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acclaimed contact with a spirit being a

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mexican

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local leader kind of tribal leader who

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was saying you know in his time where he

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was that these crafts had landed um

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these beings had come out

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and had kind of made contact with the

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local people uh that they said they had

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come from beyond the time space

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and that they then went on to

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essentially create some kind of hybrid

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you know hybrid human

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offspring that they left you know

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they've left you know these deposited in

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the the women of you know of your tribe

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are these children that will be born and

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that they will be unlike other people

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they're going to be like sort of

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giant-sized compared to you and they're

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going to be you know more intelligent

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and they'll be your leaders of the

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future now that's really really sort of

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bizarre but it actually tied in with

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the experiences my wife's had in her

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contact events which in those she would

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find herself at least you know in terms

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of her

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i said your astral self you know she

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wouldn't physically go to but astral

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south she would find herself back in in

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palenque the mayan plane gave back in

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the seventh century living a life and

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that there were these tall

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beings that were quite clearly not

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normal people that were in the

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leadership now

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by the time we didn't you know this

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thing that we didn't know the time that

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obviously leonard had this book so

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there's a lot of different tie-ins that

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we've had that made us commit to this

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you know something great

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you know different people that we've

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connected with it turns out that they've

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got some little piece of this puzzle um

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my my wife's experience is also

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connect with things that are physically

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found at palenque for example if you if

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you happen to go there they'll you'll

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find that there's um

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why not just go there you can find

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online that there's images of the lords

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of palenque and stuff carved into walls

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you know

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and one of the the most relevant scenes

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is in the temple of the foliated cross

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which you'll see that these lords of

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palenque are depicted as being

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incredibly tall compared to the other

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people there's them there's other normal

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you know maya people standing on like

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boxes next to them to talk to them

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looking up at them and they're still

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like a head and shoulders taller right

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so

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of you know paranormal means you know

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when you sort of double check this and

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say you know is there any

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you know validity to this idea that

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there was these abnormally tall lords

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it's like yes and then you delve into a

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bit further and you'll find that

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lord pacquiao cow the

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the seventh century king of palenque

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he has a sarcophagus which is about i

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think it's about eight foot long

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and the skeleton that was removed from

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it was of um of a guy that was i think

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about

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six foot ten or something or seven four

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or something you know

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if you that may not sound incredibly

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tall considering we have now of course

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you know

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basketball players that are beyond that

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but if you put on the context of the

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average maya warrior of the time was

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around about sort of five foot two

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and then you've got this lord who's like

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nearly seven foot tall right

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so there's something

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not adding up there's something

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definitely strange there that you find

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the physical remains are of these

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particularly tall lords that there's

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pictures of them on the wall showing

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they're abnormally tall

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you've got this you know completely

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distinct person to us who's had this

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experience where it comes through saying

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that these these giant sized lords my

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wife's having these strange contact

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experiences in these astral journeys or

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shamanic journeys or whatever we'd call

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them and she's seeing that as well so

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those kind of things in the end you know

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personally obviously living in the

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middle of that hub of strangeness you

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know it all comes together for me as

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more nudges to have a look you know is

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there evidence that supports the idea

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there's been this contact

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is there anything that we can physically

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point to you know or is this just high

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strangeness you know from human

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consciousness and so that's

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but so that's where i you know i do like

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to try where i can to validate you know

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i recognize that some things are just

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you have to just leave us you know very

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weird and there's nothing you can do to

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prove them either way um but you know

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every now and again some of these things

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you are able to go and find spring

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evidence

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yeah i've noticed that you do that a lot

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you know one of the questions that i'd

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like to ask anybody that

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had a contact experience

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what do you think they are and what do

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hello

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wonder i mean i from what from what

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we've had the kind of experiences i'd

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say that

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they're definitely not

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simply physical in the way that you know

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that we are that they're definitely

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able to

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transcend sort of time and space and

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physicality to some degree that i'd say

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that

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they you know although this seems to be

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a physical manifestation of these

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intelligences you know they can appear

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to be beings i mean if you look at some

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of the

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the relevant contact events especially

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down in mexico i mean if you're familiar

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with the work of rd's six killer clark

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who's got you know a series of books on

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native american contact cases

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very specifically and in her work you

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know

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you've got witnesses who are at ancient

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maya sites for example and they will see

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orbs of light flying around but then

452
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these orbs of light will then morph and

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change into these tall beings right so

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clearly they're not physical in the way

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that you know your eye you know we

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retain our physical form pretty

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continually throughout life so

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to me there's something else going on

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there that you know that it's

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something energetic beings that maybe

461
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maybe at some point they were physically

462
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transcended or you know or they just

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have a technology that does this i don't

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know but i don't think of them as being

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just physical beings by any stretch

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also the point i think this leonard said

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you know in in his word when he talks

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about them being from beyond the times

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based barrier i think that they are in

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some sense time travelers

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um and again if you look at

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the the maya culture i mean you know

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obviously this focus on

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the the calendars you know dozens of

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complex calendars and the fact that

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hannah piccal himself was actually

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called the lord of time you know you

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know if you've got doctor who's like the

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time lord right yeah for this yeah yeah

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quite bizarre he's actually the lord of

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time um and that you know he's this

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abnormally tall guy and

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all this weird stuff going on there that

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even today you've still got these beings

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appearing at these mayan sites that

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there's a continuum of high strangeness

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connected to that culture with these

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massive cycles of the lung count and you

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know obviously that was the whole thing

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about the you know 2012 the calendar

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flip and all that stuff um which

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connects in i think that these beings

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are in some way

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a higher level

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of reality

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where they are able to come down to ours

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and take a physical form but they are

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somewhat beyond our normal time space

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and that's why they come across the time

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space barrier i mean that's quite true i

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don't think they're necessarily existing

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as physical beings in our same continuum

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that would be my underlying thing what

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exactly that means i'm uncertain you

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know whether they are just an energy

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you know or whether in their own

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you know sphere of reality whether they

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live in a body you know it's a bit

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unclear i mean certainly in

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the book i've you know i've written you

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know i deal with what seems to be a

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physical visitation with some physical

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beings you know coming here

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but even then in in valerie's work she

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does talk about some of these

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entities on board being kind of you know

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beyond physical some of them being

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crystalline robots and stuff you know

519
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this it's not just you know a group of

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aliens from another planet arriving here

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in their rocket ship you know there's

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definitely something

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higher dimensional physics involved in

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all of this and i am still sort of

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pondering on

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you know whether or not they're really

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coming from another planet or coming

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through a dimensional gateway to get

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here or something like that you know

530
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whether it's a little bit more complex

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than or if it's all of the above yeah

532
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exactly yeah whether there's an element

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of all of these things going on and i

534
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think that's probably quite likely that

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you know that we have

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there's

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intelligences out there that you know

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that or out there here around us as well

539
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they can cross through you know yeah

540
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barriers in terms of dimensional

541
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barriers and others that cross through

542
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spatial barriers you know moving through

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wormholes

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and even then with wormhole travel

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you're technically by default also using

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time travel to get around you know so

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so there's a lot of very fuzzy barriers

548
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in these kind of topics

549
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yeah i one of the things that i noticed

550
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about you is that

551
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you when when you ask a question you and

552
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you don't know you say well i'm not sure

553
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i'm still studying and i i really like

554
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,240
that about you and your work because

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it's you know it's kind of like that old

556
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saying if somebody tells you they know

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00:21:02,230 --> 00:20:57,360
what the truth is

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yeah you know you have some fluidity in

559
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:03,600
it you know because

560
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:05,520
there's always stuff that comes up that

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surprises you and you know since i think

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you know i've

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been reading researching and

564
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:12,640
experiencing you know things for

565
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:14,640
over well over 25 years so i mean you

566
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:16,000
suddenly feel like i've got a fairly

567
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:17,520
good grasp on you know something but

568
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:19,039
then you know yeah some information will

569
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,559
come up and you know it throws you a

570
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:22,799
total curveball and you realize that you

571
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:24,640
know there's a whole you know big

572
00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:26,960
section of your you know your knowledge

573
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:29,039
base that you've got to really rethink

574
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:30,720
and that you know certainly

575
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,840
when we hear about you know i guess um

576
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,440
news could be saying physics or the way

577
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:37,440
time works or gravity or anything like

578
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,720
you know something that fundamentally

579
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,919
changes a lot of your understanding so

580
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:41,360
it's not like that where you have to

581
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:43,039
really rethink a lot of stuff you think

582
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,960
oh you know i thought i had that you

583
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:46,720
know down like he said yeah we have to

584
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:49,120
be careful about being too certain and

585
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,600
you know obviously over my my journey of

586
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:53,360
many many years now you know there's

587
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:55,200
been a number of positions i've had to

588
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:57,039
kind of radically change on and think

589
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:59,919
i'm more more interested in supporting

590
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:00,960
things with

591
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:01,760
with

592
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:03,600
sort of fairly hard science you know and

593
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:06,320
when reading the academic papers where

594
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,000
they're relevant

595
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:10,320
which i think you know a lot probably

596
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:14,320
most people in fringe and so independent

597
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:15,600
kind of research

598
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:18,080
probably don't often read academic

599
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:19,600
papers you know that would be my sense

600
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,400
of it you know they would tend to go to

601
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,320
you know the news articles and you know

602
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:26,159
the magazine arts courses but not

603
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:28,000
necessarily go and like

604
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:29,360
get the actual you know the academic

605
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,520
studies that are relevant to a topic and

606
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,880
have a look at them because they use

607
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:34,559
often quite dry you know they're long

608
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:36,000
they're fairly dry

609
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:37,039
um

610
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,039
these things are not fun reading i i

611
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,520
have read some things like this yeah

612
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:43,520
and you have to know to be able to

613
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:45,039
filter out of them what you need you

614
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:46,880
know to skim through because and yeah

615
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:49,039
they're really enjoyable for the lay

616
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:50,960
person you know their conversations

617
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,720
between academics really you know one

618
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:54,799
academic supplying you know the

619
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,320
understanding is required to convince

620
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,400
another academic you know and i get that

621
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,480
um and obviously that's going to be

622
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,159
phrased in a certain way you know they

623
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:04,080
have to obviously strongly support it by

624
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,760
referring to lots of other case studies

625
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:07,120
and things so

626
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:08,320
you know they've been quite long and

627
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:09,600
sometimes a lot of it's not relevant to

628
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:11,200
what you want to know so yeah you just

629
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,480
have to develop a bit of a skill for

630
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:14,240
skimming down and finding the bits that

631
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:15,520
are relevant to you but once you do that

632
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:17,120
you can find you know that's where

633
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:18,880
you're going to get the

634
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:21,280
the strong support for any argument

635
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:22,720
you're making you know because the india

636
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,039
we live in a culture where the the gold

637
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:27,840
standard is you know peer-reviewed

638
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,159
academic studies now that doesn't mean

639
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,480
they're infallible but that's the best

640
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:34,640
that we've got isn't it you know

641
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,799
you know honestly i i kind of think it's

642
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,120
a pretty decent system you know i mean

643
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:41,200
there's politics involved with a lot of

644
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:43,279
it so some people just can't get papers

645
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:45,120
published and things but

646
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,480
by and large

647
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:48,960
peer review is a good system i think

648
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:51,279
because then if somebody's

649
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,840
inaccurate the peers let him know that

650
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:56,159
he's inaccurate with whatever he's

651
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:59,200
whatever he's studying you know

652
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:00,320
you mentioned

653
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:05,279
think they are but why do you think they

654
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,000
are here or why is there people having

655
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:10,880
contact this is a big question i ask

656
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,279
everyone too try to get some general

657
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:16,080
understanding myself as to what may be

658
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,279
the reasons

659
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:19,200
that they are interacting with or

660
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:22,320
contacting members of our race

661
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:23,679
in our time

662
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:26,000
sure i mean i have some a few thoughts

663
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:27,679
on it i mean certainly the first thing

664
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:29,440
is that um

665
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:30,840
in my

666
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:33,760
perspective this planet was almost

667
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:36,080
certainly seeded

668
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:38,720
you know from space with dna

669
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:40,480
by an intelligence

670
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:43,279
4.5 billion years ago so the first thing

671
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:45,279
is that that takes away the idea of no

672
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,559
aliens

673
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:48,799
coming here stumbling on us or that

674
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:50,960
because we you know we used a nuclear

675
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:53,200
bomb or because we sent radio signals

676
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:54,400
into space or something that we

677
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,320
attracted the attention of you know

678
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:58,400
greedy eyes and space which a lot of

679
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,400
people seem to believe

680
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,320
which i think is is definitely not the

681
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,400
case i think that the reason why this

682
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,480
planet is known is because it was seeded

683
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,000
in the first place it's not it's not

684
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,720
that a [\h__\h] passed by you know randomly

685
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:12,480
stumbled on us because if you if you're

686
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:14,320
seeding worlds obviously there's

687
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,200
somewhere there is a a record of seeded

688
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,200
worlds and i believe that we are on a

689
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,039
you know a list of of worlds that are

690
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:23,440
known to have life i look at dna as

691
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,159
being a kind of a planetary terraforming

692
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,559
technology but you know you can you can

693
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:30,400
send this you know down onto a planet

694
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,400
surface in you know metal spheres or

695
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:34,799
whatever like artificial seeds and that

696
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:37,679
they will they will produce life that

697
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,240
will transform the atmosphere of planet

698
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:43,039
that will you know produce a biosphere

699
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,720
the food you know all the rest of it

700
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,720
that will come about over time and my

701
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:48,400
strongest suspicion i know this comes up

702
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:49,120
in

703
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,960
sorts of stuff as well but but you know

704
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,320
even in mainstream you know the

705
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,400
panspermia model is growing in terms of

706
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,159
acceptance yeah i was just going to say

707
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:00,799
that your but your theory you're not

708
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:02,640
talking about panspermia because that

709
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:05,840
would be almost accidental

710
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,000
you're talking about directed or

711
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,720
engineered pam spermier yeah quite you

712
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:12,480
know where this is deliberate i see this

713
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:13,600
one the reason why i think that is

714
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,480
because

715
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,880
if we look at how fast life appears on

716
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,120
earth you know it's really anomalous

717
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:21,360
because you know the essentially the

718
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,240
crust forms after about 100 million

719
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,400
years and that's when life now seems to

720
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,080
have appeared you know this has been

721
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:30,000
looked at both in terms of the fossil

722
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,720
record where they've now got um the

723
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:34,480
first signs of life go back to about i

724
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,120
think it's about 4.2 billion years they

725
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,880
found in and they said they'd estimate

726
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:40,559
that based on that it's likely that you

727
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:41,760
know we haven't found the earliest and

728
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:44,320
it probably goes back to about 4.5 and

729
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:45,840
then there was a separately there was a

730
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,120
study done on

731
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:49,279
with the dna study that was looking for

732
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,240
the the last universal common ancestor

733
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,320
of all living things on the planet and

734
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,480
they actually came to the date 4.5

735
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:58,080
billion as well right so that's

736
00:27:02,549 --> 00:26:59,120
literally you know and the planet's

737
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:02,559
supposed to be at 4.6 billion um so so

738
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:05,120
it really is mind-bogglingly fast

739
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:06,400
because you know

740
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:07,600
all of the scientists that were working

741
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:09,120
on this tended to think it probably took

742
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:11,039
at least about half a billion years or

743
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,840
so for abiogenesis to occur and even if

744
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:15,679
you want to say random panspermia like

745
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:17,600
it's it's kind of weird that it was that

746
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:19,600
fast you know that as soon as the crust

747
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,799
appears life flourishes now that means

748
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:24,559
really starts to nudge you in the

749
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:26,240
direction of this is seeding you know

750
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,480
that the the moment is ready you know

751
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:30,000
you fire down the

752
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:31,679
the seeds on you know to the surface

753
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:34,159
that's why i think that one of the

754
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:35,440
reasons why i think that obviously

755
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:37,279
though in the information itself that's

756
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:38,960
come to me particularly

757
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:41,360
from the source book obviously this al

758
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:44,320
tringer book and from you know elsewhere

759
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:45,760
over the years you know i've read other

760
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,960
people's

761
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,080
guess

762
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:50,159
whether it's opinions theories

763
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,679
channelings and all the rest obviously

764
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:53,520
i've heard that come up elsewhere but

765
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:55,360
particularly that evidence of how fast

766
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,720
life appears

767
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:59,120
also i'm not sure if you know there's um

768
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:01,120
there's a one of these mainstream

769
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:03,440
scientists in the pans bermuda debate

770
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,279
as a british scientist i forgot his name

771
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:06,960
to be honest but he's a close colleague

772
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,520
of chandra wikronzinga the the most

773
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:11,279
famous panzernia

774
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:13,200
theorist um and there's a friend of his

775
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:15,679
that basically found um a small metal

776
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,679
sphere up in the upper atmosphere they

777
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:20,000
hit one of their detectors and it

778
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,240
appears it's made out of a mixture of a

779
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,760
titanium-like

780
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,840
material kind of alloy a really hard

781
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,080
alloy and that they found that leaking

782
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,320
from this was a goo and then when they

783
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:32,559
tested it it turns out to be a

784
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:34,960
biological material right like a kind of

785
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,600
dna goo right and it's really weird

786
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:39,760
because it's exactly the kind of thing

787
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:41,039
you can imagine you talking about

788
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,640
directed panspermia and i think these

789
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,640
artificial seeds i'm not totally just

790
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,159
putting out nowhere i mean literally we

791
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:48,000
have a scientist saying he's found one

792
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:49,360
of these things that you know flying

793
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:50,720
around in the upper atmosphere a little

794
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,440
metal sphere containing a kind of you

795
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:56,000
know genetic goo right so that's super

796
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:57,760
weird that i have not heard and that's

797
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:59,600
pretty mind-boggling thing yeah i mean

798
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:00,640
one of the things i include in the book

799
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:02,000
cause it's super weird you've got

800
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:03,600
pictures of it i mean you'll be able to

801
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:04,720
go and look at that if you look first

802
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,919
panspermia metal sphere um goo or

803
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,200
something like that you'll find there's

804
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:11,200
mainstream sort of news articles about

805
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:14,240
that and they've since validated it is

806
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:16,159
genetic material now the argument is

807
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,679
whether was it swept up into the

808
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,039
atmosphere which is obviously the

809
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,840
skeptical view is somehow um always come

810
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:23,520
from space which i've seen the these

811
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:25,520
panspermia scientists are quite

812
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:28,159
convinced that it's come from space i

813
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,679
mean whereas normally they argue that

814
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:32,159
they think panspermia is the movement of

815
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:35,039
you know bacteria on comets dust

816
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:36,399
particles yeah and all the rest of it

817
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:37,760
but in this case they actually have what

818
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:41,039
appears to be a artificial seed for life

819
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:42,799
so i mean that's quite you know

820
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:45,279
mind-bending for people you know

821
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,520
so again that that further supports what

822
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,960
i'm saying i think that these things are

823
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:50,799
fired down onto planets that they just

824
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:53,120
rain them down and that you end up you

825
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:54,799
know coming back

826
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:57,360
after have a long and bear in mind if

827
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,960
you're traveling through wormholes some

828
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,399
people say well do you want to wait all

829
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:02,240
these you know billions of years well

830
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,360
you wouldn't necessarily have to because

831
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,360
if you're using wormhole travel you can

832
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:07,600
actually travel back from that planet

833
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,320
right to somewhere else and then come

834
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,640
back here through a wormhole that brings

835
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:15,120
you back to the future of that planet

836
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,360
right so the problem we live in a very

837
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,159
constrained reality as humans right if

838
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,240
you think in terms of a like a type free

839
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,080
type 4 civilization that's that's

840
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:26,799
bending the time space continuum it will

841
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:28,880
it's not thinking the way that we do you

842
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,440
could see the planet you know go off and

843
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:33,840
come back again to its future and just

844
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,880
move in

845
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,720
right so

846
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:38,559
we have to be a bit wary of not thinking

847
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,840
well why would you do that if you got

848
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,279
way all this time and also we don't know

849
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:43,679
how long lived these civilizations are

850
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,799
so i mean if you're a civilization

851
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,559
that's been around a billion years you

852
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,240
can be seeding planets on the finger bro

853
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:50,000
you know the next generations or

854
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:51,279
whatever in a million years will make

855
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:53,039
use of that planet you know and you just

856
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:54,000
continue

857
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:55,440
moving through the you know through the

858
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,320
cosmos seeding world again

859
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:00,480
we don't think as a galactic species

860
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:03,360
because we only have one planet so

861
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:04,640
it's easy for us to think well why would

862
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,919
you do that it's like well you're not

863
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,080
thinking on the grand scheme of you know

864
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:10,080
of a civilization that's gradually

865
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:13,360
taking over a galaxy right so so again

866
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:15,039
these are things and one another going

867
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:16,559
down that route because people you know

868
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:19,120
i find people have very limited thinking

869
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:22,240
in ufo and alien circles and in academia

870
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,919
most of the time because they're saying

871
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:25,600
why would you do that or why would

872
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,360
aliens come here and i understand those

873
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:28,880
are fundamental questions i understand

874
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:31,120
that as humans we typically

875
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,679
limit ourselves to very human thinking

876
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,919
in that but look if you if you imagine

877
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,440
that you have

878
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:40,080
a highly advanced civilization that goes

879
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,279
to the point of becoming post-biological

880
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,960
right and most of the leading theorists

881
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:46,960
today imagine that

882
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,440
probably 90 or so of any civilizations

883
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,360
out there in the universe will at some

884
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:53,360
point if they survive long enough uh

885
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,080
look to upload consciousness into silica

886
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,880
right and to basically create

887
00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:00,240
immortal

888
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,840
you know living machines and whatnot

889
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:03,840
right and then you in the very least

890
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,480
create robot ai type technology that

891
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,320
works for you and that functions as a

892
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,240
mortal you know life

893
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,399
right so if you have something like that

894
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:14,399
and let's say you know you decide that

895
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:16,000
for whatever reason you know you've got

896
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:17,679
to a point where you're merging with

897
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,919
your technology i mean we're starting to

898
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,039
but if you get to the point where you

899
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:23,840
fully merge and you upload consciousness

900
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,960
into vast silica networks now

901
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,880
you might be thinking well hang on look

902
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:31,200
let's say we don't like that and like

903
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,960
let's say that we want to you know have

904
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,039
a restore point in case that doesn't

905
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,440
work out and that we can go back to

906
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:39,840
biological and download right that it

907
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,519
doesn't have to be a one-way process

908
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:43,360
that you can upload but that there's

909
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,679
also potential to download now you might

910
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,760
want to set a restore point okay in that

911
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:50,159
scenario what is a restore point well

912
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,559
what about a planet that is seeded that

913
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,480
you have life you know

914
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,039
developed on and you you basically

915
00:33:02,630 --> 00:32:59,440
shepherd a entity that you consider to

916
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,640
be a suitable receptacle for the return

917
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:04,799
of your consciousness back to biological

918
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:07,840
i.e say seven billion human beings right

919
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,919
as suitable vessels for the return of

920
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:11,360
your consciousness

921
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:13,039
that you might you might set that as

922
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,279
your restore point and so having spent

923
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:17,840
some time as silica entities or in some

924
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,080
hyperspace you know reality you know

925
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,240
living completely beyond the physical

926
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,480
you decide you want to return and for

927
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:26,399
whatever reason go back to experiencing

928
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:28,480
physical biological life

929
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:29,919
so that again would be a reason to see

930
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,080
the world and to shepherd the beings and

931
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,559
create you know a suitable intelligent

932
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:36,720
species on it but these are things that

933
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,120
unless you're i guess a sci-fi writer or

934
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,039
yeah this is kind of this is kind of a

935
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:42,960
scary thought that they could just be

936
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:47,279
farming us for bodies to return to and

937
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,720
you know i've heard uh and more than one

938
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,279
recount of an abduction or something i'm

939
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,679
sure that i've heard the term containers

940
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:58,080
that we humans are containers and as

941
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,519
soon as you were saying this i went oh

942
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:01,760
my god maybe we are containers and they

943
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:04,399
want to have containers to go back to

944
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,679
quite and that this is something that

945
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:07,440
people don't tend to think of because i

946
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:09,040
i've not really seen

947
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,720
anyone discussing these kind of matters

948
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:12,399
because i think we tend to think in

949
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:14,000
simplistic terms like you know why would

950
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:15,919
we go into space to find resources you

951
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:18,079
know to mine asteroids but then we're at

952
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:21,200
quite a primitive level of space faring

953
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,639
if you imagine you get to the point you

954
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:24,240
know you've merged with your technology

955
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:26,079
you and you've taken you know you've got

956
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,079
worlds all across the cosmos and you

957
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:30,079
know you you know you can bend the time

958
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:31,760
space continuum the things that you're

959
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,720
considering doing and now on a galactic

960
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:36,879
scale right this that's why you have to

961
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:39,119
try and think in terms of that galactic

962
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:40,480
scale and the kind of technologies that

963
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:41,760
you know that we theorize that you know

964
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:44,960
becoming i mean crystalline planets that

965
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:47,280
are inhabited by you know a singular

966
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:48,879
consciousness and stuff that

967
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,280
these are the kind of possibilities that

968
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:53,679
i guess the greatest minds in science

969
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:56,480
envisage for super advanced alien

970
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,280
species and like with the idea that they

971
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,960
can both upload and download yeah we

972
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,560
should have to consider that you know

973
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:04,400
why wouldn't a you know as species out

974
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:06,560
there be so interested in our world but

975
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:09,440
if it is because they see the potential

976
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:10,240
for

977
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:13,040
a return to physical i mean

978
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:15,040
that makes a lot of sense because it's

979
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:16,560
not a lot on our planet that's of great

980
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:19,119
value right because i mean

981
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:20,800
we've got minerals and water and whatnot

982
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,839
but you can find all of those in the

983
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,680
asteroid field right you can find those

984
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,520
ant comets yeah if you have good enough

985
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:27,280
equipment you can find all those things

986
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,119
anywhere else in the solar system it's

987
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:31,359
just how hard how hard is it to get to i

988
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:32,240
guess

989
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:34,240
exactly so what's special here then it's

990
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,760
got to be to do with the life that's

991
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:37,760
here right because you know you hear

992
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,280
stories about oh they want the gold

993
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:41,040
right it turns out there's so much gold

994
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:42,480
in our asteroid field that you know you

995
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:43,599
may have seen this but i think one

996
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,280
asteroid they said that if they mined it

997
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,200
it would basically bankrupt the whole

998
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,280
planet's economy you know because

999
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:51,760
yeah that's just one asteroid so i mean

1000
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,599
clearly you don't need to land on earth

1001
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:55,280
to get gold you could just have a

1002
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,440
robotic crunching machine you know that

1003
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:59,599
just crunches through the asteroid belt

1004
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,640
and i'm sure that you know there's

1005
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,400
asteroid belts around you know other

1006
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:04,079
other suns that you could have done that

1007
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:05,760
long ago and had all the gold you wanted

1008
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,160
so it's not gold water you know there's

1009
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:10,160
planets they're entirely water do they

1010
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:12,079
really need to come here to suck up our

1011
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,599
water i mean

1012
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,960
i know a lot of people see it happen but

1013
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:16,320
i don't think that's a reason to come

1014
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,800
here that you maybe you use resources

1015
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:20,560
you know on a planet but why are you

1016
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:21,680
there in the first place i think the

1017
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:22,880
only thing that's special here has got

1018
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:24,960
to be the life forms that there may be

1019
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:26,960
dna codes in certain life forms that are

1020
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:29,359
useful and the the bodies themselves may

1021
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:32,079
be useful those are the only two i think

1022
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,359
unique resources of earth are either the

1023
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:38,240
any codes that maybe they extract those

1024
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:39,760
you know they or maybe they said plants

1025
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:41,839
or animals that are useful in some way

1026
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,560
or the receptacles the bodies i know

1027
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,480
that's a sort of scary

1028
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:48,000
thing yeah it's definitely it's

1029
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,520
definitely a little scary and i you know

1030
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,280
i've never i've heard so many times

1031
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,359
about uploading consciousness into a

1032
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:55,440
computer i've you know got a background

1033
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:56,960
in computers myself

1034
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,200
and that's such a common theme in

1035
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:01,359
science fiction and a lot of

1036
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,800
theorists are saying that's going to

1037
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:05,119
happen but i've never considered that

1038
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:07,119
what if you did that and you were not

1039
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,280
happy with that existence and wanted to

1040
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:11,599
go back but it's a scary thought that we

1041
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:14,400
could be just a container farm

1042
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:15,760
yeah and actually when you said about

1043
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:19,200
the term containers it's used in um

1044
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:22,160
in bob lazar's account he's one of the

1045
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,040
most famously now i'm so skeptical on

1046
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,680
the bubble store i'm sure

1047
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:29,200
but that's where it comes that's one of

1048
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:30,480
the places it comes up not the only

1049
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,480
place but he mentions that you know he

1050
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,560
was exposed to some documents now look i

1051
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:36,400
think probably bob was exposed to some

1052
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,760
all sorts of strangeness now i don't

1053
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:39,359
necessarily think he ever

1054
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,800
you know was working on a relationship

1055
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,720
but i mean he may well have been shown

1056
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:44,320
weird documents and he claims that he

1057
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:46,800
saw this book and that in the book you

1058
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:49,040
know you had a reference to

1059
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:50,480
an alien civilization

1060
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,920
that had been monitoring us and said

1061
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,200
that it was aware that we were

1062
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:55,440
containers and that we'd been modified

1063
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,800
something like i think it's like 60

1064
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,240
times or something it says in this book

1065
00:38:01,270 --> 00:38:00,000
it's all these notes that you know that

1066
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,280
was claiming he said obviously he

1067
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:02,880
doesn't know if that's true but that he

1068
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,359
read it in a document he was shown

1069
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,839
now a similar thing was shown to linda

1070
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:09,520
moulton howe when she had the meeting

1071
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,160
with um with them doty which are doty at

1072
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:14,079
the um i think it's the other

1073
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,359
one the air force base one of the air

1074
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:17,680
force bases yeah yeah i actually got to

1075
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:20,560
interview him about that actually and he

1076
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:23,040
claimed he claimed what in my interview

1077
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:25,280
that those everything in the documents

1078
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,320
that linda moulton hal was shown is true

1079
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:30,240
he claimed but you know you have to

1080
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:31,599
consider the source air force

1081
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,920
disinformation agent and now he's

1082
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:35,760
retired and uh

1083
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,520
yeah but he's definitely an interesting

1084
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,240
character but those documents also

1085
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,720
that linda molten hell says she saw and

1086
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:44,320
whatever i believe about linda martin

1087
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,160
hail i do believe that she does have a

1088
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:48,079
photographic memory as she has said and

1089
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:49,520
many of her friends have told me yeah

1090
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,040
she really does have a photographic

1091
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:53,680
memory so she remembered very specific

1092
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:56,480
details about the things and in there in

1093
00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:58,480
those documents they say that there was

1094
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:02,160
genetic alterations made to human

1095
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:03,520
ancestors

1096
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,320
yeah

1097
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:05,920
which is exactly my you know my

1098
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,920
narrative in my work and then he says

1099
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:09,359
yeah that there's a project garnet and

1100
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:10,640
it stood out to her because her birth

1101
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:13,440
stone was garnet and um so she obviously

1102
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:14,880
made a mental note and in there he has a

1103
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:16,240
project garnet answered all of the

1104
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,839
mysteries to do with human origins and

1105
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,440
as you say yeah that they you know said

1106
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,200
that an early developing hominin had

1107
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,280
been modified now that's precisely what

1108
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:25,680
i've found with my you know checking the

1109
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:27,839
data which absolutely meshes with that

1110
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,160
um and to some degree with what

1111
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,920
this is what i'd love to dig into though

1112
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,680
because i've heard this theory many

1113
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:36,000
times that we were modified we were

1114
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:40,320
modified and yeah my biggest question is

1115
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:43,920
wouldn't any geneticist be able to find

1116
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:46,640
spots in our dna that would show some

1117
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,680
form of engineering or alteration took

1118
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:51,359
place

1119
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,839
yeah they would the quick answer is yes

1120
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:55,440
yes and so why don't we here why don't

1121
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,040
we hear about this more because it's

1122
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,119
found but they will never use the words

1123
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:01,280
alien modification in conjunction with

1124
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:04,319
the anomalies that have been found right

1125
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,760
there are very glaring anomalies which

1126
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:09,599
now if we look in the context of where

1127
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,079
we're at with you know crispr um

1128
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:14,079
technologies and other genetic

1129
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:16,240
modification tools that we're developing

1130
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:18,319
now you can look at those anomalies and

1131
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:20,720
say oh god you know that looks awfully

1132
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,599
like

1133
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:23,280
you know deliberate changes that we're

1134
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:25,599
making on organisms now until not very

1135
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:27,200
long ago we probably wouldn't have been

1136
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,160
able to think that because we weren't

1137
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,319
doing ourselves so as you know as we get

1138
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:32,160
to a certain level of technology

1139
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:33,280
you know we come to an understanding

1140
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:34,720
where you notice things that you

1141
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,400
wouldn't have noticed because you just

1142
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:38,560
couldn't conceptualize of them really

1143
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:40,960
um not beyond sci-fi or whatever but you

1144
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,640
know in terms of the science you know we

1145
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:44,079
wouldn't have really

1146
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,440
understood how to do that and obviously

1147
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,599
in the past people talked about alien

1148
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,599
hybrids you know and that was the if you

1149
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:51,359
like the buzz thing the idea that aliens

1150
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:54,400
maybe came here uh mated with us or

1151
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:56,800
something or somehow spliced themselves

1152
00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:59,839
with humans and so we'd be half alien

1153
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,920
you know we'd have alien dna

1154
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,359
and again that was partly to the

1155
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,280
limitations of our science because we

1156
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:06,880
understood things like hybridizing

1157
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:09,040
plants right you know and and mixing and

1158
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:11,119
then we got to level where we could take

1159
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,800
material from one animal and put into

1160
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,240
another animal so you know that was

1161
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:16,000
something we got but it's it's only more

1162
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:18,000
recently that we've really got to the

1163
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,079
point where we can go in and directly

1164
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:22,400
just modifying organisms you know code

1165
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:23,040
and

1166
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,040
snip out bits copy them put them back in

1167
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:27,280
and you know and turn off you know parts

1168
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:29,680
of the genome so so as we've progressed

1169
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,640
we now understand that you don't

1170
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,720
necessarily need to

1171
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,800
to mix together you know an alien and a

1172
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:36,240
human even if you could i mean again

1173
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:37,920
that would infer that the alien has to

1174
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:40,560
be dna based right because you can't

1175
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:44,079
mesh you know whatever they're made from

1176
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:47,440
and us unless it's dna you know right so

1177
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:49,200
so again you're taking a leap by saying

1178
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,640
that you can even mix with an alien

1179
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,079
because i mean yeah i mean there's

1180
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:54,560
there's there's ample examples of this

1181
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:57,040
like a wolf can make with a dog but you

1182
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:59,599
know it can't go too far

1183
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,640
no and so

1184
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:03,200
can it go to an alien from zargon seven

1185
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:05,119
probably not i'd say you know that's

1186
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,480
really stretching it

1187
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:08,560
um so but what you could have of course

1188
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,880
is master geneticists who understand the

1189
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,960
code and who can go in and directly

1190
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:14,880
modify at that level you know you know

1191
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,319
you've got an i.t background i've got ic

1192
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,079
backgrounds i tend to think of dna in

1193
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:20,240
terms of code you know and modifying

1194
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:22,880
code you know creating yeah i mean

1195
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,280
at the very essence dna is basically a

1196
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,599
set of instructions so i relate it to

1197
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:29,520
computer code a lot myself

1198
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:32,240
it's just it's just you know it's built

1199
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:34,240
of different things instead of binary

1200
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:35,599
it's organic

1201
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,280
yeah and so if you if you look at it

1202
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,680
like that instead of needing to take you

1203
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:41,040
know trying to

1204
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:44,079
mix together you know i guess you know

1205
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:45,520
an apple operating system and their

1206
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,720
windows want to try and mix them

1207
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,480
together and the complexity because you

1208
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:50,160
wanted to do something that you know

1209
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,760
apple does one thing windows does

1210
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,359
another and you want those benefits in

1211
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:55,520
one so you try and mesh those together

1212
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,520
that's a really tough thing to do

1213
00:43:02,230 --> 00:42:59,760
whereas if you could just directly go in

1214
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:02,240
and modify how your windows operating

1215
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,680
system works that's that's much better

1216
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,599
than trying to mix together two very

1217
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:07,119
different operating systems to get the

1218
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,520
benefit you want right so instead if you

1219
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:11,440
know how to go in and you know modify

1220
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:14,000
the the code framework of it you could

1221
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:15,520
just say well i need this to do

1222
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,119
something else i would just go in and

1223
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:19,040
change the code now

1224
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,240
that works a lot easier and that's what

1225
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,400
they in my view they've done so i mean i

1226
00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:23,680
can give you um

1227
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:25,839
a bit of a dive into you know why i'm so

1228
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:27,680
confident in saying that yeah i'd love

1229
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:30,240
to hear more about the evidence because

1230
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:32,000
sure i gotta be honest with you this is

1231
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,160
one of those rabbit holes that's been on

1232
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:36,800
my list to do like let's

1233
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:38,960
go through all of this i did follow for

1234
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:41,040
a while like lloyd pie and a few things

1235
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:42,079
like that

1236
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,119
and uh

1237
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:45,359
but i kind of got lost in the woods in

1238
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,640
there because

1239
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,560
some of this stuff is pretty

1240
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:50,640
not to me it was some of the stuff that

1241
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,000
i looked at wasn't

1242
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:54,480
incredibly convincing or wasn't

1243
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:56,000
that there wasn't a smoking gun right

1244
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,520
there i don't know that there is one

1245
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,440
that proves

1246
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,839
the timing for lloyd as well that you

1247
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,000
know we did we hadn't really got to the

1248
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:06,000
full depth of the genetic revolution and

1249
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:07,839
i i'm saddened in a way that lloyd

1250
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:09,920
didn't live to see that because you know

1251
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:12,079
i think now with as i say the work that

1252
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:14,079
uh you know i'm aware of that he would

1253
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:15,760
have been like aha you know but

1254
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,280
unfortunately at the time you know

1255
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:19,200
obviously his passing we hadn't got to

1256
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,720
this crispr technologies and all this

1257
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,400
stuff and obviously then he spent a lot

1258
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,400
of time in the star child skull and on

1259
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:26,240
bigfoot type things and you know like we

1260
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:27,760
all have our own other pet projects you

1261
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:28,960
know i have a lot of weird so we've

1262
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,079
already tackled i mean i've had my own

1263
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:32,160
strange experiences i have interest in

1264
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,359
all sorts of other subjects so i

1265
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:35,040
understand that you know he had his

1266
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,480
passions for things like the star child

1267
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:38,480
skull and whatnot so he i don't think he

1268
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:40,240
had necessity a huge smoking gun his

1269
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,520
favorite one was the chromosome 2 fusion

1270
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,680
um now that's in my work and chromosome

1271
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:47,520
2 fusion is part of this it's a very you

1272
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:49,280
know it's very important part but one of

1273
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:51,760
the things that lloyd didn't have was

1274
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:54,560
any any dating for when that happened

1275
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:55,760
you know and a lot of people have gone

1276
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:57,280
with the citroen idea you know and i

1277
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,800
think lloyd you know made that kind of

1278
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,800
error as well which is that you know

1279
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,200
sitchin infers that this all happened

1280
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:05,839
around about 400 000 years ago but based

1281
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,240
on what really you know his his

1282
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:10,880
interpretation of someone else's stories

1283
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,680
right

1284
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,599
um that's not really and a lot of people

1285
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:15,440
they say it's rare in stone you know

1286
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,880
like because like it doesn't matter if i

1287
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:19,119
write on toilet paper

1288
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:20,480
yeah absolutely

1289
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,319
you know like the thing you write the

1290
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,560
thing on doesn't matter damn if it's a

1291
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,359
story it's a story right uh if you can't

1292
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:29,839
substantiate it with any actual evidence

1293
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:32,000
then it just remains a story yeah and

1294
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:33,119
that that's why i look at anything the

1295
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,400
same with the outrigger but you know it

1296
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:36,240
was a story until i could validate any

1297
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:37,520
of it you know

1298
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:40,400
um and so unfortunately

1299
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,440
people would just say you know

1300
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:43,440
chromosome 2 you know it must relate to

1301
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:45,040
this you know the upgrade of homo

1302
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,480
erectus 400 000 years ago by the

1303
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,640
annunaki and all this stuff

1304
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:50,400
now that's just simply not the case and

1305
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,520
they didn't bear in mind they didn't

1306
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:54,000
like citroen didn't use any genetic

1307
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:55,520
evidence you know which is one of the

1308
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:58,079
main failings of his work um and then

1309
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,680
the other main failing of his work is

1310
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,200
that he wasn't qualified to be

1311
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:03,839
translating to be translating ancient

1312
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:06,720
sumerian and most scholars that actually

1313
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,520
are

1314
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,520
they dispute most of his translations

1315
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:11,359
which is where most of these theories

1316
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,400
came from

1317
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:14,400
mistranslated texts

1318
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:15,680
yeah and this is a huge problem because

1319
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:18,240
the sitchin um story really is the most

1320
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,520
prevalent in you know terms of ancient

1321
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:21,599
aliens and contact or genetic

1322
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:23,119
engineering it nearly always goes back

1323
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:25,839
to a sitchin like account right

1324
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:28,000
this is the most popular narrative in

1325
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:29,920
ancient aliens you know throughout the

1326
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:32,880
community it's been rehashed by loads of

1327
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:35,119
other writers it's referred to by loads

1328
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,440
of different you know speakers um you

1329
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:39,440
know so it's really solid when in fact

1330
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,839
of course we know it's not really solid

1331
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:43,920
um it's again yeah his bad

1332
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,400
interpretations of stories yeah and i

1333
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:48,400
gotta say that early on when i first

1334
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,359
read i read his books like years ago a

1335
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:53,760
long long time ago i was convinced i was

1336
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,319
like this guy's got it this is it you

1337
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:58,400
know because it just makes sense it's

1338
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,280
all

1339
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,440
very well packaged like here's what

1340
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:03,040
happened and here's the proof and the

1341
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:04,880
evidence and it's in these stone tablets

1342
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:07,359
i translate it but then you get to the

1343
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:09,920
problems which is no you didn't

1344
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:11,839
translate this right

1345
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:13,839
and so it falls apart just on the

1346
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:15,760
linguistics of it because there's a big

1347
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:18,160
difference from those who from the

1348
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,760
heavens came to

1349
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:21,760
you know a messenger

1350
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,440
sure and also if you look at nibiru i

1351
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,280
mean it was actually nibbru in the air

1352
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,359
and that's just the science of that is

1353
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,760
just whack-a-doodle terrible but also it

1354
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:31,440
turns out if you look at it nibiru

1355
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,119
there's he says there's ships going to

1356
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:35,440
nebra with not only with gold but gold

1357
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:38,160
silver and seda would so i mean are we

1358
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,520
really saying that aliens are coming

1359
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:41,520
here to chop down trees and take wood i

1360
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:42,400
mean

1361
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,920
it it it does you know you look at it

1362
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:45,359
like that you have to think well that's

1363
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:47,119
nonsense and then the next record is

1364
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:49,920
that you have rockets like imagine

1365
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,640
imagine you've got a rocket full of gold

1366
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:54,720
the heaviest you know here we've got and

1367
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,319
you've got to now get that rocket back

1368
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:58,079
into space i mean people have not

1369
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,520
thought that through you know when you

1370
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:01,200
ask people how do you think they took

1371
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:02,880
off again with the rockets full of gold

1372
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,559
you know there's that struggle in the

1373
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,160
brain because you know as we know

1374
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:08,160
they're careful to take the lightest

1375
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:10,079
powdered food and you know the smallest

1376
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,160
amounts of toothpaste and to try and get

1377
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:14,160
these rockets up into space you know it

1378
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:15,839
takes an enormous amount of fuel and

1379
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:17,280
energy to do it

1380
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:19,280
the idea you could pack rockets full of

1381
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:21,359
gold right and then take off again he's

1382
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,240
just it's bonkers and on top of that

1383
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:26,160
you have the problem that they land and

1384
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:28,000
then four hundred thousand years later

1385
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:29,680
they take off in those same rockets

1386
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:40,470
they have no breakthrough stephen in 400

1387
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:42,319
000 years they take off in their rocket

1388
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,800
ships and leave like this is it just

1389
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:46,240
it's baffled when you start to think of

1390
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:49,119
these kind of holes even without the say

1391
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:50,720
the translation problems you start

1392
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:52,079
thinking the logic of it you think that

1393
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:53,920
this doesn't make sense and in advance

1394
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:55,760
race that's you know can't progress

1395
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,319
beyond rockets in 400 000 years and it's

1396
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,079
it's trying to pack rockets full of gold

1397
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:04,630
has done it for me too is that the

1398
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:06,640
knowledge that with with the nuclear

1399
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,599
reactor and time you can make your own

1400
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:11,680
gold so the fact that they would go to a

1401
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,280
whole nother you know maybe whole

1402
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,200
another star system i don't know a whole

1403
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:17,280
another

1404
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,839
where we now know it's full of gold yeah

1405
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:21,520
yeah absolutely so and they put it in

1406
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:23,280
their atmosphere the whole story falls

1407
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:24,720
apart

1408
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,280
logically logically go through it

1409
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:29,119
it does but underlying it you know i do

1410
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:30,480
think that the

1411
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,920
some of these cultures you know they are

1412
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,920
referring to visitations and they are

1413
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:35,920
referring to their their beliefs or

1414
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:38,400
understandings of contact but it's not

1415
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,920
scientifically accurate you know we have

1416
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:41,119
to be careful and then if we're

1417
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:42,960
translating it badly and they're already

1418
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:45,119
giving us their chinese whispers story

1419
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:46,000
you know

1420
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:47,599
we have to be really really cautious

1421
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:50,160
with that now my approach was that look

1422
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:51,280
you know okay

1423
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:52,720
i understand that you know some of my

1424
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:54,079
you know i do look at these kind of

1425
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:55,599
ancient stories you know some of the

1426
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:57,839
things i discussed in my work come from

1427
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,440
the aboriginal people and you know and

1428
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,960
to look at i've looked at the and the

1429
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,559
annunaki stories

1430
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,640
but really you need to also be able to

1431
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,960
mesh things with real world science

1432
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:08,400
so i mean the key thing there is that

1433
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,680
yes we have a chromosome 2 fusion and

1434
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:12,880
you know lloyd's right that it's

1435
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,800
anomalous there are anomalies with it

1436
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,040
but there's um a british

1437
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:19,440
biologist now the names of me but he he

1438
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:20,559
took a look at this and he wanted to see

1439
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:22,079
you know could we actually date it's one

1440
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:23,920
thing they knew is that the chromosome 2

1441
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,119
fusion happens you know after the split

1442
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,280
with the primates you know it was fought

1443
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:31,920
to be somewhere between

1444
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:34,640
a million to five million years ago

1445
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,319
right which is kind of vague but they

1446
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:38,400
knew it was something like that

1447
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:39,680
now

1448
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:42,240
more recently that has been modified one

1449
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:43,920
of the reasons can be found that you

1450
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:46,160
know we have the dna

1451
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,160
the genome basically or the four genome

1452
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,720
of the neanderthals and denisovans

1453
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,319
uh and what we what we understand now is

1454
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,559
that chromosome 2 fusion occurs at the

1455
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,319
beginning of the lineages before these

1456
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,160
lineages split so you know denisova's

1457
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,400
neanderthals modern humans we all have

1458
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:02,960
that chromosome 2 fusion event right

1459
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:05,760
so that gave it a a minimum date so it

1460
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,960
has to go back to around about 700 plus

1461
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:11,040
700 000 or so years ago when these

1462
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,720
lineages were splitting around seven to

1463
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:14,640
eight hundred thousand years ago so

1464
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:17,359
that's a minimum now this this biologist

1465
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:18,960
he wanted to see you know could we find

1466
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:22,319
out the maximum and so he looked at the

1467
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:23,680
when the

1468
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:24,640
because what happens we've got these

1469
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:26,800
telomeres on the ends chromosomes and

1470
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:28,640
also they they mutate a different rate

1471
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,040
to the the middle parts because the way

1472
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:33,119
the middle is enclosed

1473
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:34,559
and so he wanted to see if he could see

1474
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:36,640
when it stopped you know when it slowed

1475
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:38,319
down the mutation rate you know i'm not

1476
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:39,440
gonna pretend to totally understand the

1477
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:41,440
size of how he did this but he

1478
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:43,200
he basically went you know he analyzed

1479
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:45,680
it the chemistry kind of side of it and

1480
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:48,240
he was able to get to being somewhat

1481
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:51,760
close to around 750 000 years ago so a

1482
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:54,720
i.e very close to the already existing

1483
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:57,359
minimum date so it's pointing to it

1484
00:52:01,829 --> 00:52:00,079
occurring at the beginning of the split

1485
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:01,839
between all of the large brained

1486
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:04,079
hominins neanderthals dinosaurs us and

1487
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:05,599
any others the ghost lineages that have

1488
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,200
disappeared now so that so you've got

1489
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,359
straight away an anomaly so it happens

1490
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:10,960
at the beginning of the appearance of

1491
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,040
all of the large brain dominance and we

1492
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:15,359
already knew that around about 800

1493
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,920
thousand years ago the human cranium

1494
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,160
goes into sudden overdrive in terms of

1495
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:22,319
its um you know shape and size and then

1496
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,880
we have an acceleration that has always

1497
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,559
been considered anomalous you know that

1498
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,240
was obviously the fossil record before

1499
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:30,960
we had dna we already knew something odd

1500
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,480
happened around about a hundred thousand

1501
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:34,319
years ago where the human brain just

1502
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,559
goes into you know rapid acceleration

1503
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:39,200
not in line with body size change

1504
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:40,640
okay so you now have

1505
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:41,839
the

1506
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:50,400
brain size so you can logically infer

1507
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:52,880
the two are connected right now again

1508
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:54,880
lloyd didn't know that and and january

1509
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:56,240
marketing at 400 thousand years it just

1510
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:57,520
does not connect with that right you

1511
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,000
know this is way earlier and meshes with

1512
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,319
reality with you know skull size changes

1513
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:05,040
with datings of genetic changes so

1514
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:06,720
straight away you know you're zeroing in

1515
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:09,359
on real world evidence okay now that

1516
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:12,160
itself is not in my view it's not

1517
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:14,160
sufficient it's great it's a really

1518
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:15,520
great you know something weird is going

1519
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,079
on but you want more than that okay

1520
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:20,160
now one of the

1521
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:21,920
one of the really deep dives on this i

1522
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:23,440
did you know they led to a few things

1523
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:24,640
there's

1524
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:26,240
one of the well something to highlight

1525
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:27,200
is that

1526
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:28,400
in terms of the things that make us

1527
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,559
different from other primates most of

1528
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:32,319
the genetic differences are actually in

1529
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:34,720
areas that code for the brain right

1530
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,400
there's so we say what's different about

1531
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:38,160
us and the primates most of those

1532
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:39,440
differences actually do with the brain

1533
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,839
it's not you know we've got random

1534
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,680
random he's randomly scattered across

1535
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:45,359
the genome yeah

1536
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:46,720
it's not particularly random when you

1537
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:48,400
know nearly all of the changes are in

1538
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:51,040
one you know area so again that

1539
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:52,160
highlights that something's a bit

1540
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:53,920
anomalous because why have we suddenly

1541
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:56,079
got all these changes through the brain

1542
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:57,920
you go a bit deeper dive into that what

1543
00:54:01,910 --> 00:54:00,240
you find is some of the specific

1544
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:01,920
genes in there are very weird because

1545
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:04,160
there's one where the scientists talk

1546
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:06,079
about it saying that you know it appears

1547
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:06,880
that

1548
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:09,520
one of these crucial brain genes appears

1549
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,720
out of non-coding dna suddenly fully

1550
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,720
formed right and that's how they

1551
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,319
describe it and it just appears suddenly

1552
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:18,480
fully formed wow that's weird you know

1553
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:19,760
and then there's another one which they

1554
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:21,119
said it appears to be which i think is

1555
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:22,400
through the neocortex which they said it

1556
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:25,280
appears that it's a not entire gene it's

1557
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:26,559
rather it's a

1558
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,240
looks like a snipped fragment of a

1559
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:30,400
longer gene that's been replicated and

1560
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:31,920
put back in and that's this that's what

1561
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:33,280
it looks like they've got they said

1562
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:35,040
xerox then put it back in so when you

1563
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,880
see scientists using those kinds of

1564
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:38,559
expressions right they're appearing

1565
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:40,079
fully from that nowhere and looks like

1566
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:42,240
it's xeroxed and put back in you know

1567
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:45,200
clearly there's something very odd and

1568
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,720
again these are brain genes that have

1569
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:48,559
given us like the neocortex the folds of

1570
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:49,839
the brain and

1571
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,920
really crucial things that have made us

1572
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:53,760
the species we are that are appearing

1573
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:56,160
anomalously now so you've got that level

1574
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:58,319
of it and then you can go beyond that

1575
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,440
and the real the clincher for me was

1576
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:03,599
when i stumbled on what's called human

1577
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:06,960
accelerated regions now these are the

1578
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:09,040
really if you want the smoking gun you

1579
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,960
know if anything almost the case closed

1580
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:12,400
but i mean i say certainly the smoking

1581
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:14,720
gun is these human accelerated regions

1582
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:17,440
because what happened is a few years

1583
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:18,880
back not that long ago this is fairly

1584
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,799
cutting edge but a few years back

1585
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:22,480
they discovered

1586
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:27,119
a segment of code in the non-coding dna

1587
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:28,400
uh which is basically what used to be

1588
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:30,559
called junk i was just going to ask that

1589
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:32,079
i

1590
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,680
but

1591
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:45,920
most of it now we know is not a jungle

1592
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:48,240
so what they found is that in fact a lot

1593
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:52,720
of that material is is there to instruct

1594
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,599
the

1595
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:56,400
how we code genes basically so so that

1596
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:57,920
you know although you have a gene for

1597
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:00,559
your arm there's other segments of code

1598
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:03,200
in the non-coding area that that will

1599
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:06,400
change the way that that arm is is coded

1600
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:09,359
by you know you can you can modify it so

1601
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,720
that it is turned off or on or expresses

1602
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,559
more or less and there's all sorts of

1603
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:16,799
instruction stuff that's running in that

1604
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:19,359
other non-coding area right now what

1605
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:21,359
they found in this non-coding dna is

1606
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:22,960
there's loads of these segments which

1607
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:25,920
have anomalously accelerated in their

1608
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,240
evolutionary changes now there's a

1609
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:30,400
really good example i'll highlight which

1610
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,480
is there's a segment called har1 which

1611
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:34,640
was the first one they discovered

1612
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:35,760
now

1613
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:38,000
when they when they sort of isolated

1614
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:40,960
this and they compared us against other

1615
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,880
creatures on the planet to looking at

1616
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,480
the same segments

1617
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:46,559
they found if you take a chicken a

1618
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,119
chimpanzee and a human and like contrast

1619
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,520
this code right they found that between

1620
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:53,520
the the chicken i think it's actually

1621
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:56,000
i'll just clarify i think it's um

1622
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:57,599
how many letters as long as i think it's

1623
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:58,720
like

1624
00:57:01,829 --> 00:57:00,079
i'd have to double check this but i

1625
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:01,839
think it's like 20 odd it's like 20 odd

1626
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:03,680
letters long or something like that

1627
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:05,440
it's not a particularly long sequence of

1628
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:07,280
code anyway but what they found is that

1629
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:08,400
between

1630
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:09,200
the

1631
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:15,599
three successful mutations you know

1632
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:17,040
single point you know one letter

1633
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:20,640
mutations that have occurred in 300 000

1634
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:22,079
years so

1635
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:25,280
300 million years of separate evolution

1636
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:27,520
for those species right so in other

1637
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:30,240
words it's an incredibly stable code

1638
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,000
what they call um

1639
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,799
very highly conserved it hardly ever

1640
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:36,400
changes you know if you get a mutation

1641
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:38,240
on it that mutation is nearly always

1642
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:40,880
negative and the organism either dies or

1643
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,640
it can't reproduce right so it's almost

1644
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:44,240
like saying you'll be born without lungs

1645
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:45,760
or something like that right

1646
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:48,880
um something really profound so it

1647
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,240
a random mutation has took 300 million

1648
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:54,559
years to produce three successful

1649
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:56,079
changes between the chicken and the

1650
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:59,200
chimpanzee yeah now so

1651
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:00,799
when they understood that they knew that

1652
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:02,720
looking at the chimp and the human with

1653
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:04,880
just five million years of you know

1654
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:07,359
divergent evolution there should be zero

1655
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:10,160
differences right it should be the same

1656
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:12,000
there's just not been enough time

1657
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:13,200
and instead what they found was an

1658
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:15,359
18-letter difference

1659
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:17,680
so i mean that has to sort of sink in

1660
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,480
because

1661
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:20,160
well what does that mean it means well

1662
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:23,200
it means that it's completely defied any

1663
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:25,200
understanding we have of evolution

1664
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,079
because

1665
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:28,160
they couldn't come up with a single

1666
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:30,319
explanation in terms of any of the known

1667
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:32,240
evolutionary mechanisms for how that

1668
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:34,480
could possibly have happened right

1669
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:36,000
and then they started finding more and

1670
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:37,760
more of these there's now like several

1671
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:41,599
hundred har right and all of them

1672
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:44,240
well the vast majority are to do with

1673
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:45,839
controlling

1674
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:47,760
aspects of the development of the brain

1675
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,480
during fetal development yeah most of

1676
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:52,000
them the ones we know a lot of we still

1677
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:53,440
don't know what they do some of them are

1678
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,520
also referred to have given us our the

1679
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:57,440
dexterity in our fingers and the thumb

1680
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:58,720
you know all the things that we need to

1681
00:59:01,510 --> 00:59:00,480
create all of our wonderful technologies

1682
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:01,520
and all that right

1683
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:04,480
um yeah that's so key areas and things

1684
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:06,640
like you know arizona the reproductive

1685
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:09,200
system and stuff but they're key areas

1686
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:11,440
they seem to be related to and they're

1687
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:13,359
unique to humans we don't find this in

1688
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:14,640
any other species look they've now

1689
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:16,480
looked at hundreds of animals to see if

1690
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:17,680
there's anything comparable and there's

1691
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:18,400
not

1692
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:20,559
right it's just in us

1693
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:22,960
and now these are precisely the kind of

1694
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:25,119
areas that you'd want to modify if you

1695
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,359
wanted to change like an early like a

1696
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:29,200
chimp like primate or something into a

1697
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:31,599
human because you can go in there and

1698
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:34,960
rather than splicing alien dna or or any

1699
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:36,720
of that you just go it's like going

1700
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:39,040
really into the deep code and so you're

1701
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:40,799
writing it right yeah and rewriting it

1702
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:42,400
say look i can i can play this like a

1703
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,079
piano right because if you're if you're

1704
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:46,319
on that level you understand maybe they

1705
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:48,720
can modify the code and just understand

1706
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,559
it thousands or

1707
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:52,319
tens of thousands millions of years

1708
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,799
ahead of our understanding absolutely we

1709
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:56,240
don't need so that's why we could say oh

1710
01:00:02,470 --> 00:59:59,040
you know it's we have alien dna no we

1711
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:02,480
probably have you know maybe some small

1712
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:05,040
amount of supplies but maybe

1713
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:07,440
but what we definitely have is is yeah

1714
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:09,119
is modifications have been done at that

1715
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:11,359
level the code level it is such an

1716
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:13,119
advanced level that we are not at that

1717
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:15,280
yet you know we can recognize it we can

1718
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:16,960
see that hey well that's what we'd love

1719
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:19,359
to be able to do is to go into that that

1720
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:21,040
area of the code

1721
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:22,559
and make changes but when you think

1722
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,960
about how dangerous that is because as

1723
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:26,400
i've said these are areas that are

1724
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:28,960
fundamental to life so if you were to

1725
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:30,720
try and play with these you're going to

1726
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:32,240
start killing people or animals or

1727
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:34,720
whatever you start practicing on so you

1728
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:37,440
need to be the maestro of dna code to go

1729
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:39,680
in there and rewrite these areas yeah so

1730
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:42,000
the the advanced knowledge here is of

1731
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:44,559
someone way way way ahead of us like you

1732
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,359
said millions of years ahead

1733
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:49,680
or you're the ones who've seeded dna on

1734
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,359
planets in the first place right because

1735
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:53,280
if you are then you know the code like

1736
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:54,720
the back of your hand because you wrote

1737
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:56,240
it if you know what i mean so if you've

1738
01:01:01,750 --> 01:00:59,599
created dna then clearly you know it in

1739
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:01,760
a way that we could never conceptualize

1740
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:03,440
yeah now it may not be that they're the

1741
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,720
creators of dna or they may just know

1742
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,720
very well either way it's someone who

1743
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:08,880
has a profound profound understanding of

1744
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:10,720
it so they've gone in there they've

1745
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:12,000
changed

1746
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,960
specific sections radically that have

1747
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:16,559
then you know if you wanted an arm that

1748
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:18,240
was longer you just change the amount of

1749
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:19,920
expression on the arm genes you know you

1750
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:22,000
don't need to put you know the arm of a

1751
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:24,559
kangaroo or something's jeans

1752
01:01:30,660 --> 01:01:26,240
yeah yeah yeah

1753
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:37,000
[Music]

1754
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:43,349
the same question that i have though

1755
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:45,040
with the contact is you know like

1756
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:46,960
sitchin's theory is that these aliens

1757
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:49,359
needed slaves so they created the human

1758
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:51,760
race but mm-hmm

1759
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:54,240
doesn't sound like a very advanced race

1760
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,720
would go hey let's make some slaves out

1761
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:58,799
of these monkeys it just doesn't seem

1762
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,720
like a good theory to me why do you

1763
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:02,720
think they would do these modifications

1764
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:04,319
then

1765
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:05,359
well

1766
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:06,559
from the again you know from the

1767
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:07,839
information that i've got and again you

1768
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:10,559
know if i'm valid what i can validate of

1769
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:13,039
the source information is is somewhat

1770
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:14,240
limited you know there's some things

1771
01:02:17,349 --> 01:02:16,240
that are in the in the book outdrinker

1772
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:17,359
that

1773
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:20,640
but i can't validate you know some of it

1774
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:22,720
i've validated but what's in there so

1775
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:24,319
assuming that

1776
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:27,280
it's true based on the fact that

1777
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:28,720
quite a lot of it you know i've been

1778
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:30,720
able to substantiate so i have a good

1779
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:33,520
reason to suspect the rest is somewhat

1780
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:35,359
accurate okay so if we allow for the

1781
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:36,799
fact that i'm not saying it's this is

1782
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:39,359
proven right but in there it discusses

1783
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:40,960
that and it says that you know the idea

1784
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:43,359
originally was to to come here

1785
01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:45,520
essentially that there was going to be a

1786
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:47,359
also colonizing of the planet but a

1787
01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:49,839
handover this planet already had

1788
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:52,000
a group on it there'd been an agreement

1789
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:54,880
to transfer it that there had been a an

1790
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:57,520
event a ship was destroyed in orbit

1791
01:03:01,829 --> 01:02:59,920
which is again in my book is tackled

1792
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:01,839
that this craft was destroyed in orbit

1793
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,760
debris rains down across the planet

1794
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:05,520
which you know i have debris i have some

1795
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:07,599
in my house i mean it's you know you you

1796
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:09,280
have the material as well you know

1797
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:10,960
sturdy or restricted we have this debris

1798
01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:14,160
osteolyte um that this craft then there

1799
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:15,920
was a few survivors come down they

1800
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:17,760
decide that rather than

1801
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:19,440
they can't colonize they've lost most of

1802
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:21,680
their technology the plan has gone you

1803
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:23,839
know badly wrong but they decide instead

1804
01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:26,000
what they'll do is modify the hominin

1805
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:27,520
species which is well adapted to the

1806
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:30,240
planet already they have some help from

1807
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:32,319
some rebel groups of these beings that

1808
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:34,640
are already here and who know that the

1809
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:36,079
code well because they have been already

1810
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:37,920
modifying life on this planet and have

1811
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:39,599
created what would be think of as homo

1812
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:42,240
erectus um and that this you know not

1813
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:44,960
particularly bright hominin but you know

1814
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:47,280
it had a moderate sized brain but i

1815
01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:49,520
think about the third the size of ours

1816
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:51,200
and so they they have a familiarity with

1817
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:52,319
that and they decide what they will do

1818
01:03:56,069 --> 01:03:54,160
is they will modify the dna of the

1819
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:56,079
existing hominins and sort of upgrade

1820
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:57,440
them and for a couple of different

1821
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:59,520
reasons one that they they feel somewhat

1822
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:01,039
sympathetic for these because they are

1823
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:04,559
being kept in a you know sort of sub you

1824
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:06,960
know a sub-human manner and they are

1825
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:09,280
utilized by this other species here for

1826
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:11,440
especially sort of some slavery type

1827
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:13,920
task but but they also just generally

1828
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:15,839
they think that they can not only free

1829
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:17,200
them but they make use of them they say

1830
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:19,440
that they will use them to incarnate

1831
01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:21,280
into and the beings will incarnate into

1832
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:22,240
and this will get back to what we're

1833
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:24,000
saying earlier about the idea of sort of

1834
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:25,359
downloading into them that there's

1835
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:28,240
definitely shadows of that idea in there

1836
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:29,599
and that you know that they will be used

1837
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:32,160
to incarnate into now they don't

1838
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:33,839
necessarily downloading into but they

1839
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:35,520
talk about more i suppose what we'd

1840
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:36,880
think of in terms of a directed

1841
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:39,119
incarnation or directed reincarnation

1842
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:41,039
it's more the flavor of it

1843
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:43,280
um but now that could be their way of

1844
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:45,119
saying you know downloading you know i

1845
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:46,319
don't know but certainly that it's

1846
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:47,839
inferred that yes it would be used as

1847
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:49,680
kind of containers you know and then you

1848
01:04:54,309 --> 01:04:52,880
loop back around like that document that

1849
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:54,319
you know bubbler's [\h__\h] and linda

1850
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:55,680
mullen housing

1851
01:05:00,069 --> 01:04:57,359
there does seem to be some truth to that

1852
01:05:01,670 --> 01:05:00,079
idea and again that that's in there that

1853
01:05:03,029 --> 01:05:01,680
yeah they will they are dying they can't

1854
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:03,039
live here they're not suited to the

1855
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:04,000
planet

1856
01:05:08,470 --> 01:05:06,480
they'll always create almost like a

1857
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:08,480
almost like a um a suit i suppose if

1858
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:09,599
you're if you're at that level your

1859
01:05:14,150 --> 01:05:11,839
consciousness can be directed into

1860
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:14,160
another biological container

1861
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:15,760
then suddenly it makes a lot of sense to

1862
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:17,200
create one that is already suited to the

1863
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:19,119
planet so they take them they modify

1864
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:21,200
them they upgrade them and then they

1865
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:23,440
actually begin to you know incarnate

1866
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:25,680
into them quite bizarre which again i

1867
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:27,520
can't prove that that part happened but

1868
01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:29,760
it meshes with you know saying why would

1869
01:05:33,670 --> 01:05:32,559
you do this i mean that's a fairly good

1870
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:33,680
reason you know if you're actually

1871
01:05:37,589 --> 01:05:35,920
making use of them right in some way and

1872
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:37,599
they're used to the profoundly important

1873
01:05:43,029 --> 01:05:40,480
to your greater agenda of taking this

1874
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:43,039
planet from the other group who you you

1875
01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:44,400
know obviously there's some hostility

1876
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:45,359
with

1877
01:05:48,789 --> 01:05:46,799
uh so there's yeah as much as that's

1878
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:48,799
profoundly strange and again i can't say

1879
01:05:52,789 --> 01:05:50,559
that that aspect i can prove by any

1880
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:52,799
sense but you know certainly it meshes

1881
01:05:56,789 --> 01:05:54,640
with the idea that you would have a

1882
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:56,799
point to doing this and that that would

1883
01:06:02,230 --> 01:05:59,119
be a point of doing it

1884
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:02,240
wow yeah it's pretty mind-blowing

1885
01:06:05,430 --> 01:06:04,160
yeah i mean look the tibetan you know

1886
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:05,440
about tibetan

1887
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:07,520
buddhism and the llamas the yeah and

1888
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:09,680
they obviously they they state that they

1889
01:06:14,549 --> 01:06:12,240
can do directed incarnations into new

1890
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:14,559
bodies and that is usually validated by

1891
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:16,400
sending out a group of missionaries go

1892
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:18,960
out to the village where the high llama

1893
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:20,880
has said he'll be reborn

1894
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:22,640
and they will test children that have

1895
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:24,880
been born under a particular signs you

1896
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:26,720
know with a rainbow with a crow on the

1897
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:27,760
roof and all this kind of you know

1898
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:29,200
there's usually some signs have been

1899
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:31,119
written down by the deceased llama you

1900
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:32,799
know saying that when i'm reborn you'll

1901
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:34,079
be in a village where you'll see a

1902
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:35,920
rainbow you know the birds will fly in

1903
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:37,760
from the south and blah blah and a list

1904
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:39,680
of things you know so they'll identify

1905
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:41,359
that then they will go to the village

1906
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:43,039
they'll find children born on that day

1907
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:45,119
and they'll be tested and they will

1908
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:47,520
usually show them a selection of objects

1909
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:49,440
you know from that deceased llama along

1910
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:52,880
with other very similar objects uh and

1911
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:54,160
typically speaking you know what happens

1912
01:06:57,670 --> 01:06:55,599
is obviously the child picks out the

1913
01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:57,680
correct objects also these children you

1914
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:58,720
know sometimes you know four or

1915
01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:00,720
five-year-olds will start reciting you

1916
01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:02,960
know long buddhist texts right from

1917
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:04,640
their minds you know just so it's quite

1918
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:05,760
it's quite clear there's something very

1919
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:08,079
odd you know they seem to have a memory

1920
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:09,599
from a past life

1921
01:07:13,750 --> 01:07:11,200
and that's how they go about testing it

1922
01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:13,760
so look if human beings you know under

1923
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:15,760
certain circumstances particularly those

1924
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:18,000
that have spent a life in meditation and

1925
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:19,920
you know advanced spiritual practices if

1926
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:21,280
they are able to control where their

1927
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:23,520
consciousness goes in their next life

1928
01:07:26,950 --> 01:07:25,440
there's no particular reason why we

1929
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:26,960
shouldn't think that these

1930
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:29,520
highly advanced extraterrestrial races

1931
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:30,799
wouldn't be able to do something

1932
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:32,319
comparable and that's definitely what

1933
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:34,079
they're suggesting they can do is

1934
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:35,760
something that we already have people on

1935
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:38,079
this planet who seem to fail to do right

1936
01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:39,680
so this isn't completely without

1937
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,319
evidence because we know you can look at

1938
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:43,920
human beings and everyone knows the work

1939
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:47,359
of dr ian stevenson um and he's profound

1940
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:50,480
i'd say proof really of reincarnation um

1941
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:52,720
there's huge volumes of work that he did

1942
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:53,839
you know

1943
01:08:00,789 --> 01:07:58,319
lives and with birth marks on them from

1944
01:08:02,549 --> 01:08:00,799
injuries in past lives and you know you

1945
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:02,559
really went to extraordinary lengths in

1946
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:04,240
fact one of the the few cases of

1947
01:08:07,990 --> 01:08:05,359
something

1948
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:08,000
fringe if you like or or anomalous where

1949
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:09,520
we had him be like carl sagan saying you

1950
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:10,559
know it's one of the i think one of the

1951
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:12,720
three cases of strange phenomena where

1952
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:15,039
it deserves you know more serious

1953
01:08:19,590 --> 01:08:17,279
research right and you know for someone

1954
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:19,600
like that to say that you know you did

1955
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:21,920
it means he looked at it and realized

1956
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:24,799
that the the science was solid you know

1957
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:25,839
he's not going to come out and say i

1958
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:27,040
believe you know reincarnated but you

1959
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:28,400
know he was willing to go as far as

1960
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:30,480
saying you know look looking at his work

1961
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:32,640
you can't just poo poo it yeah i'm sure

1962
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:34,000
i've read a few books that had some

1963
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:36,159
really compelling evidence

1964
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:39,120
of reincarnation's is close to you know

1965
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:41,279
if he had been in any other subject the

1966
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:43,359
set reincarnation you know if he'd been

1967
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:45,359
the level of work he put into it the

1968
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:47,679
amount of evidence you know anyone would

1969
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:49,679
have said oh you know case closed it's

1970
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:52,000
proven but because it's a controversial

1971
01:08:55,829 --> 01:08:54,000
area to overlaps with you know

1972
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:55,839
supernatural thinking and religious

1973
01:08:59,829 --> 01:08:57,920
thinking you know it's of course it's

1974
01:09:01,590 --> 01:08:59,839
considered too fringe to be accepted but

1975
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:01,600
it's worked solid i mean it was solid

1976
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:03,600
yeah especially because i think

1977
01:09:07,990 --> 01:09:06,640
uh all the abrahamic religions you know

1978
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:08,000
uh

1979
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:11,520
islam and and judaism and christianity

1980
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:13,520
all don't believe that reincarnation is

1981
01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:15,199
real so you've got to go against the

1982
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:17,839
three major religions in the world

1983
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:19,040
that's right yeah you've got that as

1984
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:21,359
well so you've got both the the most of

1985
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:22,880
academia and

1986
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:24,560
loads and billions of religious people

1987
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:26,080
who would not like that to be proven

1988
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:28,319
true so there's obviously his work is

1989
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:31,120
largely ignored now um but that really

1990
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:32,560
it adds into the context of that you

1991
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:34,319
know we have the science that suggests

1992
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:36,640
that there are beings and people that

1993
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:37,920
can do this and this is what they're

1994
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:39,279
telling us they're saying that you know

1995
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:41,759
essentially they made spacesuits for

1996
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:43,120
themselves you know

1997
01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:45,440
in a really weird again you have to

1998
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:47,440
think alien level thinking not human

1999
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:49,279
level thinking where to us we'd like

2000
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:51,199
well why would you want to do that well

2001
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:53,120
you know because we can just beam into

2002
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:54,480
those bots you know we can go into those

2003
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:56,320
bodies i mean again when you start

2004
01:09:59,830 --> 01:09:58,080
thinking in terms of you have to think

2005
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:59,840
alien thinking you know stuff that to us

2006
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:01,920
is alien and now that is alien the idea

2007
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:04,400
that you could just modify a body and

2008
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:06,159
then choose to incarnate into it you

2009
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:07,679
know to the average person he's totally

2010
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:09,280
alien well

2011
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:11,120
it should sound alien if it's aliens

2012
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,400
right um we shouldn't be just beings

2013
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:16,560
thinking like us just collecting gold

2014
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,159
and you know they've come to get gold to

2015
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:20,320
build their palace or you know that's

2016
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:22,159
what we do or stacking stones for

2017
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:23,600
pyramids you know the aliens build a

2018
01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:25,679
pyramid no no these are these are human

2019
01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:27,040
things you know we have to be careful

2020
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:28,960
not trying to mesh

2021
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:31,120
aliens and humans together right yeah

2022
01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:32,800
that's one problem with the whole

2023
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:34,800
ancient aliens theories that i always

2024
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:36,960
have a problem with is that they sell

2025
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:39,120
short the ingenuity

2026
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:41,760
the resourcefulness of man every time

2027
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:43,360
like well those pyramids we couldn't

2028
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:45,120
have done that we had it had to be

2029
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:47,280
aliens helping us you know or all these

2030
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:48,880
different things where they they

2031
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:50,320
shortchange

2032
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:52,480
us as a species and say that we're too

2033
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:53,760
you know we're just dumb monkeys we

2034
01:10:57,750 --> 01:10:55,360
couldn't have figured that out so the

2035
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:57,760
aliens had to show us that

2036
01:11:03,030 --> 01:10:59,040
it's a stretch

2037
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:03,040
you can fly across the coast mass in you

2038
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:05,120
know bend time space

2039
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:07,120
can't you shoot down nanobots that would

2040
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:08,880
build you know some metamaterial

2041
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:10,640
geodesic domes who to live in that are

2042
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:12,000
like airtight that you can have your

2043
01:11:17,669 --> 01:11:13,520
atmosphere in and stuff you know like

2044
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:20,070
was very low attack yeah it's pretty low

2045
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:21,199
tech you know like it's not even

2046
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:23,679
airtight for you i mean it's useless

2047
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:24,960
assuming you cannot breathe our

2048
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:26,960
atmosphere which is the most likely it's

2049
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:29,600
certainly unlikely to be perfect for you

2050
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:30,800
right why aren't you going to want

2051
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:32,400
something that's fairly light enclosed

2052
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:33,360
you know

2053
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:35,360
not just with cracks in it everywhere i

2054
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:36,239
mean it's

2055
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:38,960
it it bakes belief and yet you know

2056
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:41,120
people accept it and i i understand

2057
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:42,159
because you see things that are quite

2058
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:43,280
extraordinary so you think it's so

2059
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:44,800
extraordinary maybe it does involve

2060
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:46,400
aliens but when you really think about

2061
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:48,239
you know what technology would we take

2062
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:50,000
to an alien planet would we get there

2063
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:51,679
start stacking up rocks and try and live

2064
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:54,320
inside like you know a rocky structure i

2065
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:55,520
mean it doesn't make sense we would get

2066
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:57,040
there and we'd create a completely

2067
01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:58,800
airtight geodesic dome or something

2068
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:59,600
right

2069
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:01,199
uh the best materials we can get you

2070
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:02,719
know whether there's plastics or metals

2071
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:04,960
or whatever we're not gonna go to mars

2072
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:07,120
and build a rock shelter i think we all

2073
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:08,880
got that haven't we i mean it's

2074
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:10,719
so why do we think that an even more

2075
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:13,520
advanced alien race would do that

2076
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:15,679
yeah this never made any sense to me and

2077
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:18,080
actually this you know like i kind of

2078
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:19,840
you know of course i watched this

2079
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:21,520
ancient aliens i kind of thought when it

2080
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:23,440
first started that it was better you

2081
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:25,120
know it was doing pretty good and then

2082
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:27,440
they just needed more content so they

2083
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:30,400
got into this all this nonsense einstein

2084
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:32,719
and ancient what does einstein have to

2085
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:34,400
do with ancient aliens you know like

2086
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:36,640
they just the wild west in ancient eel

2087
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:39,360
it just became an entertainment form and

2088
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:42,080
there was no incredible information in

2089
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:44,400
that show

2090
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:45,280
well i don't i don't want to say too

2091
01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:47,760
much enough so i i i feature in season

2092
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:51,280
14 i hope that i had some

2093
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:53,520
sensible content but no look i'm not

2094
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:55,520
it's not my show so like i criticize

2095
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:57,120
episodes of the show as well so but i

2096
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:58,159
will say that yeah i'm in a couple

2097
01:13:01,910 --> 01:13:00,080
episodes so i mean hopefully at least

2098
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:01,920
the bits that i well maybe i'll get

2099
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:04,000
better now that you're on there well

2100
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:05,280
they've tried to look they've said they

2101
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:07,040
want to bring in more people new people

2102
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:08,000
and to

2103
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:09,760
i guess they understand that you know

2104
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:11,920
it's a lot of the same it got to a point

2105
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:14,400
so they obviously are trying to

2106
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:16,800
bring in new ideas and new people so

2107
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:18,080
that's something they've said to me

2108
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:19,920
they're kind of that they are looking to

2109
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:21,679
bring in new people like i think they

2110
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:22,880
kind of understand that you know you

2111
01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:24,560
can't just

2112
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:26,239
go around the same

2113
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:27,199
you know and again again we should

2114
01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:28,400
obviously as you know some of the

2115
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:30,800
episodes were just it was like repeats

2116
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:32,239
like repeating stuff with the same

2117
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:33,920
people almost at the same places the

2118
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:36,000
same ideas yeah absolutely

2119
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:37,199
so obviously i think they are trying to

2120
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:38,960
change that but then again i'm not you

2121
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:40,080
know i'm not

2122
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:41,440
employed by them or something something

2123
01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:42,560
i obviously i don't need to protect the

2124
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:43,600
show but i will say that you know just

2125
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:45,040
the full disclosure that you know i mean

2126
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:47,040
a couple of episodes

2127
01:13:52,149 --> 01:13:50,320
well i appreciate your politician nature

2128
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:52,159
yes yeah look you know i'm not going to

2129
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:53,679
say that you know people shouldn't chris

2130
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:55,120
obviously i've over the years i've

2131
01:13:59,830 --> 01:13:57,440
criticized the show in fact all cable

2132
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:59,840
shows to do with ufos aliens and i think

2133
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:01,120
you know if we're honest you know all of

2134
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:02,880
them bigfoot shows that there's always

2135
01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:04,400
plenty that can be criticized in it

2136
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:06,400
because it's appealing to one of the

2137
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:08,239
things they have to do is to appeal to a

2138
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:10,480
wide segment of people now if you were

2139
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:12,560
trying to focus just on the i guess the

2140
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:15,120
very analytical um skeptical people then

2141
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:16,480
you do all of these shows very

2142
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:18,239
differently wouldn't you i mean yeah

2143
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:19,199
absolutely

2144
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:21,360
that's a fact i mean obviously it's not

2145
01:14:24,630 --> 01:14:22,880
they're not generally speaking the shows

2146
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:24,640
are not really

2147
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:27,120
going to great lengths to supply solid

2148
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:29,040
evidence it's more of a you know who

2149
01:14:33,430 --> 01:14:31,360
knows you know it could be this maybe

2150
01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:33,440
you know yeah absolutely

2151
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:35,199
with cable tv shows on these kind of

2152
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:37,520
like you know high strangers topics in

2153
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:38,480
it really

2154
01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:39,440
um

2155
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:41,440
but i mean yeah i personally i'd love to

2156
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:42,719
do a show with my work because you know

2157
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:44,400
i would like to try to bring

2158
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:46,239
that kind of standard but i'm aware you

2159
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:47,840
don't want to leave everyone behind so

2160
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:49,440
it's a difficult balance because you

2161
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:51,120
want you want to be inclusive you want

2162
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:52,800
to allow people to have access to

2163
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:54,239
information but sometimes the

2164
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:56,159
information is complex and it does

2165
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:58,640
require like deep thinking or you know

2166
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:01,199
some scientific you know awareness

2167
01:15:05,830 --> 01:15:03,120
um and again you know i've tried that in

2168
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:05,840
my book i recognize it it's difficult

2169
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:07,920
you don't be too dry

2170
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:09,679
but at the same time

2171
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:11,920
to believe extraordinary things you do

2172
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:13,120
need you know quite a bit of

2173
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:14,960
extraordinary evidence you know i'm not

2174
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:16,800
saying it should be to

2175
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:18,800
necessarily a stronger standard than any

2176
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:20,159
other branch of science you know that

2177
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:22,320
all discoveries require you know a good

2178
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:23,760
level of evidence right to say that

2179
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:26,000
they're valid well i did i did hear you

2180
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:28,800
mention uh yeah some channeling and

2181
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:30,960
things like that and honestly when it

2182
01:15:36,550 --> 01:15:33,440
comes to channeling i don't i just kind

2183
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:36,560
of turn off but you seem to at least be

2184
01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:38,400
willing to accept the possibility that

2185
01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:40,320
some of the channeling is accurate

2186
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:43,040
information well just clarify a little

2187
01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:44,159
bit as well

2188
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:45,600
do you see this as being a bit different

2189
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,719
to just what we call a straight

2190
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:48,080
channeling you know someone's sitting in

2191
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:50,000
um you know sitting in their meditation

2192
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:52,400
pose and they get a contact from a being

2193
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:55,440
i mean in this case what it was was

2194
01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:57,679
the lady who wrote the book valerie she

2195
01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:59,679
actually had an artifact brought to her

2196
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:01,679
home which is called a charinga which is

2197
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:03,760
a sacred aboriginal artifact

2198
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:05,120
now

2199
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:06,400
she was looking after this for a short

2200
01:16:09,030 --> 01:16:07,840
while for the person who was very unwell

2201
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:09,040
who said they were trying to return it

2202
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:11,440
to the aboriginal people of um the

2203
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:14,880
the area around um

2204
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,000
interesting reason they're called now

2205
01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:18,480
this basically the orente people of the

2206
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:20,159
central north that they have these

2207
01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:23,040
objects and in their own mythology these

2208
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:25,040
charingas are

2209
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:27,520
left by the altringa beings the outdoor

2210
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:29,040
beings are the beings of the dream time

2211
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:31,040
they say the time before time or the

2212
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:33,120
time when the ancestors were created and

2213
01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:34,880
that they left some of these charingas

2214
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:36,640
and they said they have a consciousness

2215
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:38,480
in them and that they can communicate

2216
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:40,159
and they consider the most sacred of

2217
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:42,320
artifacts for these people now if you

2218
01:16:45,910 --> 01:16:44,239
plan to okay spiritual context and think

2219
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:45,920
of you know spirit beings and sacred

2220
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:47,679
artifacts but you know

2221
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:49,120
easily think you can easily dismiss that

2222
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:50,400
thing you know okay

2223
01:16:54,790 --> 01:16:52,560
nice sort of cool story bro type thing

2224
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:54,800
but the thing is if you actually if you

2225
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:56,320
think another way but she looked she had

2226
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:57,920
in the house she started having voice to

2227
01:17:01,750 --> 01:17:00,239
skull communication it said that it

2228
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:01,760
contained the consciousness of an

2229
01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:03,199
extraterrestrial being that there was

2230
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:04,880
this whole lost history of the planet

2231
01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:06,560
starts telling her all these events of

2232
01:17:11,189 --> 01:17:09,040
this craft coming the creation of humans

2233
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:11,199
uh an asteroid bombardment of the planet

2234
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:12,400
you know like loads of loads of

2235
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:14,320
information being sort of you know given

2236
01:17:16,709 --> 01:17:15,440
to her

2237
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:16,719
so it wasn't just like you know totally

2238
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:18,640
out of ifa you know it followed this

2239
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:20,880
object coming to her house now what is

2240
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:23,600
this object in my view i think we would

2241
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:25,760
see it today as what's called a

2242
01:17:30,310 --> 01:17:26,719
a um

2243
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:30,320
a bracewell probe right now bracewell

2244
01:17:34,229 --> 01:17:33,040
was a scientist who theorized that an

2245
01:17:36,630 --> 01:17:34,239
alien race

2246
01:17:38,229 --> 01:17:36,640
or us you know could create ai probes

2247
01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:38,239
that you would send out to monitor

2248
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:39,440
worlds you know you could send these

2249
01:17:43,030 --> 01:17:41,199
things out every round they would park

2250
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:43,040
themselves perhaps in orbit or land on a

2251
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:45,280
planet's surface and they could monitor

2252
01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:47,679
events they could also you know upon the

2253
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:50,000
detection of of certainly electrical

2254
01:17:54,149 --> 01:17:52,159
signals that would signify you know the

2255
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:54,159
rising of a civilization that they could

2256
01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:56,159
actually make contact and that these

2257
01:18:00,149 --> 01:17:58,000
would be a way of a civilization

2258
01:18:01,590 --> 01:18:00,159
distributing itself you know almost

2259
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:01,600
immortally

2260
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:03,760
across many worlds monitoring and

2261
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:06,400
eventually making contact now

2262
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:08,080
that's kind of funny because that meshes

2263
01:18:11,830 --> 01:18:09,600
very well what we're doing here we've

2264
01:18:13,110 --> 01:18:11,840
got this this strange small artifact

2265
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:13,120
which they say has been left by the

2266
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:15,199
beings from the creation time which

2267
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:17,120
contains a consciousness and which you

2268
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:19,120
know makes contact tells them stuff and

2269
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:20,719
it comes into this lady's house makes

2270
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:22,640
contact tells all this stuff about the

2271
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,719
past that it's monitored and shares that

2272
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:26,400
now that's actually something that was

2273
01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:28,400
being theorized by leading scientists as

2274
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:30,159
one of the ways we might make contact

2275
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:32,239
with an extraterrestrial civilization so

2276
01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:34,560
now if you put in that context it's

2277
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:36,880
actually not not that weird you know

2278
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:38,320
okay it's

2279
01:18:42,550 --> 01:18:40,640
amazing but it's not super weird it's

2280
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:42,560
actually what we expect in fact there's

2281
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:44,400
a number of recent and papers that have

2282
01:18:47,669 --> 01:18:45,520
come out saying that they suspect

2283
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:47,679
bracelet probes might be you know on

2284
01:18:52,470 --> 01:18:50,080
asteroids you know near to us watching

2285
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:52,480
us uh and indeed i think back in the 60s

2286
01:18:56,229 --> 01:18:54,000
there was this you know the the idea

2287
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:56,239
that was this um probe going around the

2288
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:57,679
planet which was the black knight

2289
01:19:01,030 --> 01:18:59,760
satellite which was a very similar idea

2290
01:19:03,510 --> 01:19:01,040
that they think that there was a

2291
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:03,520
detection of what seemed to be a polar

2292
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:05,920
orbiting satellite and they'd theorized

2293
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:07,920
it could have been an alien probe

2294
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:09,920
monitoring because before we had you

2295
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:12,320
know our satellites up um that there was

2296
01:19:15,189 --> 01:19:13,679
one of these things monitors so there

2297
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:15,199
may be you know there may be many of

2298
01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:17,199
these brazen probes you know on

2299
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:19,600
asteroids near us on the planet orbiting

2300
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:21,040
you know all the rest of it and they're

2301
01:19:24,550 --> 01:19:22,400
not far-fetched they're actually

2302
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:24,560
expected right so if there's advanced

2303
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:26,080
civilizations out there we expect them

2304
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:28,000
to send out you know their own seti

2305
01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:29,520
initiatives looking for other

2306
01:19:32,830 --> 01:19:31,440
civilizations and one of the best ways

2307
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:32,840
to do that is to send sort of

2308
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:35,679
quasi-immortal um bracewell probes which

2309
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:36,719
you have this thing called just from

2310
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:39,040
newman self-repair and ai so you could

2311
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:40,719
have like a self-aware ai with this

2312
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:42,560
volume and self-repair and that these

2313
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:44,000
things could even self-replicate you

2314
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:45,840
know if they land on an asteroid you

2315
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:48,000
know and using nano technology you know

2316
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:49,679
they take the minerals they need and

2317
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:51,280
make copies and then by that way they

2318
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:52,560
distribute themselves further further

2319
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:54,640
into space only so so again these are

2320
01:19:57,669 --> 01:19:56,159
areas of science that people just are

2321
01:20:00,070 --> 01:19:57,679
not very familiar with

2322
01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:00,080
oh no i've definitely heard of this uh

2323
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:03,040
of this probe theory and yeah it's very

2324
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:05,520
plausible way to go about exploring the

2325
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:07,760
universe because yeah you just send out

2326
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:09,520
all these probes they can self-replicate

2327
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:11,920
make copies i'll send you know i'll stop

2328
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:13,360
at this asteroid and make three copies

2329
01:20:17,189 --> 01:20:14,880
of myself and send it in two different

2330
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:17,199
directions while i continue forward it's

2331
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:19,440
a great great way to do it actually

2332
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:21,120
absolutely and if you think about it now

2333
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:24,000
if um if you had one of these probes and

2334
01:20:27,750 --> 01:20:25,840
it was left on the planet

2335
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:27,760
and you had you know it came into the

2336
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:30,960
custody of the aboriginal people then

2337
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:32,880
what would they make of it

2338
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:34,560
probably precisely what we have in this

2339
01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:37,280
mythology right that there's this sacred

2340
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:39,280
artifact which is so sacred you're not

2341
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:40,880
even supposed to like you know only the

2342
01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:43,679
the highest elders the most initiated

2343
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:45,120
shamanic practitioners are even allowed

2344
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:46,800
to look at the thing right and it only

2345
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:48,800
comes out in ceremonial times and it's

2346
01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:51,040
considered to be you know living with a

2347
01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:52,960
kind of a consciousness in it now that

2348
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:55,920
is absolutely right mesh is what you'd

2349
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:57,679
respect you know pretty much i'd say if

2350
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:59,520
you were to imagine that in ancient

2351
01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:01,040
times a culture found one of these

2352
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:02,880
things isn't that what you'd expect

2353
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:04,639
their mythology to say about it it's

2354
01:21:08,310 --> 01:21:06,560
like they're super this is super amazing

2355
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:08,320
artifact that we have which is so super

2356
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:09,920
sacred because it's alive and it can

2357
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:12,000
talk to us right that's actually the

2358
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:14,480
exact definition of what we'd expect

2359
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:16,480
to hear from an ancient culture that

2360
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:18,159
found one of these and that's precisely

2361
01:21:22,070 --> 01:21:20,159
what happens and the artifact that came

2362
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:22,080
contact value actually amongst the

2363
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:24,080
communications he gave he said look i'm

2364
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:25,360
able to because you know he says i'm

2365
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:27,360
able to like hack into people's brains i

2366
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:28,960
get them to take me to where i want to

2367
01:21:33,910 --> 01:21:31,520
go like you know i've made someone bring

2368
01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:33,920
it to you to get this information going

2369
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:34,880
out

2370
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:36,400
now weirdly enough obviously through the

2371
01:21:38,629 --> 01:21:37,840
various connections he's ended up with

2372
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:38,639
me

2373
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:43,360
who is able to check the research now is

2374
01:21:48,669 --> 01:21:46,320
that not in some respects the

2375
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:48,679
strange i guess semi-all-knowing or

2376
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:50,960
precognitabilities of a much higher

2377
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:52,480
intelligence is seeing things on a much

2378
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:55,120
broader connected web of that we know if

2379
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:57,040
we send it there it's going to come out

2380
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:59,040
later through such and such a connection

2381
01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:01,440
right so i would suggest that this is a

2382
01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:03,440
you know there's a greater web of

2383
01:22:07,669 --> 01:22:06,239
weirdness that this intelligence has and

2384
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:07,679
all of this has been set up that he

2385
01:22:11,669 --> 01:22:09,679
wants the information to come out

2386
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:11,679
at this time that although this probe

2387
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:14,800
has been here for an eon that now is the

2388
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:17,520
time it's made contact fully and wants

2389
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:19,440
the information to come out now i was

2390
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:21,840
able to take the information that was

2391
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:23,760
you know in valerie's book she published

2392
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:27,120
as i say back in 2002 or three

2393
01:22:30,629 --> 01:22:28,960
um and there was three key events you

2394
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:30,639
know and that was the first one was the

2395
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:34,480
description of a of a huge ai ship

2396
01:22:38,229 --> 01:22:37,040
arriving here a silica ai ship and again

2397
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:38,239
you know that circles back to what we

2398
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:40,480
discussed earlier about the expectation

2399
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:42,080
in the edge cutting edge of physics that

2400
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:44,639
advanced aliens will be able to have you

2401
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:47,360
know living silica ai

2402
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:48,239
you know

2403
01:22:54,390 --> 01:22:52,320
silica networks now so that's actually

2404
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:54,400
to be expected so people think oh you

2405
01:22:58,629 --> 01:22:56,320
know a crystal ship

2406
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:58,639
but not really actually the the right on

2407
01:23:01,830 --> 01:23:00,560
the car yes they're saying they expect

2408
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:01,840
aliens to be

2409
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:03,440
you know consciousness uploaded into

2410
01:23:07,510 --> 01:23:05,679
silica now it turns out that this this

2411
01:23:09,669 --> 01:23:07,520
is a description of this huge crystal

2412
01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:09,679
ship uh it's in orbit here it's

2413
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:12,480
destroyed in orbit and then it describes

2414
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:14,159
it melting raining down across the

2415
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:16,239
planet now

2416
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:17,360
the date that she gives as well there's

2417
01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:19,280
a couple days she says two places seven

2418
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:20,639
hundred thousand or nine hundred

2419
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:22,960
thousand so i looked at you know okay

2420
01:23:25,750 --> 01:23:24,000
let's look between seven hundred and

2421
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:25,760
nine hundred thousand because those are

2422
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:27,840
the dates that i mentioned as relating

2423
01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:28,800
to this

2424
01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:30,560
uh and then right in the middle of that

2425
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:33,520
at around 780 000 years ago

2426
01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:35,760
you find it turns out that there was

2427
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:38,560
indeed an object that entered orbit this

2428
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:40,800
is nasa papers that there was an object

2429
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:43,360
in orbit that comes apart explodes in

2430
01:23:48,149 --> 01:23:45,679
orbit and produces these australic

2431
01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:48,159
tectites now they are very anomalous

2432
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:50,320
they're only known once in the history

2433
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:51,520
of our planet

2434
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:53,520
they are they come in a form called

2435
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:55,199
button tectites which and these button

2436
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:57,520
shapes are formed by entry into the

2437
01:24:01,669 --> 01:23:59,600
atmosphere right so we know that they

2438
01:24:03,669 --> 01:24:01,679
are formed in space they contain bubbles

2439
01:24:05,430 --> 01:24:03,679
of hard vacuum as well you know so

2440
01:24:07,590 --> 01:24:05,440
obviously again you know absolutely

2441
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:07,600
signature of something for me in space

2442
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,880
and that these rain down across the

2443
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:10,800
planet and they are made of about 80

2444
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:11,840
silica

2445
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:14,480
right so i i'll be honest i was blown

2446
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:15,440
away because you know you're thinking

2447
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:16,800
really think well you know i'll give it

2448
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:18,320
i give a try see if i can validate it

2449
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:19,679
you know i believe it's probably true

2450
01:24:21,910 --> 01:24:20,880
you know i'm starting with the buyers i

2451
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:21,920
admit that you know i believe that's

2452
01:24:24,149 --> 01:24:23,040
probably true i wouldn't have spent any

2453
01:24:25,990 --> 01:24:24,159
time on it

2454
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:26,000
um and then you know i'm thinking but

2455
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:27,440
can you really find something after

2456
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:28,560
hundreds of thousands of years you know

2457
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:30,719
is there any evidence of this probably

2458
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:31,600
not

2459
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:32,880
but it turns out that actually there's a

2460
01:24:36,629 --> 01:24:34,639
hundred year long mystery in science of

2461
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:36,639
this australia tech type and that you

2462
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:39,199
know these baffled people so i was i was

2463
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:40,480
kind of shocked i'd never heard of that

2464
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:42,800
mystery you know and of course also it

2465
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:44,639
meshed with with this he's like why is

2466
01:24:50,310 --> 01:24:46,639
there a mystery because every

2467
01:24:52,629 --> 01:24:50,320
conceivable normal process thrown at it

2468
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:52,639
didn't pan out to explain it right but

2469
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:53,920
when you throw it

2470
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:55,760
a large crystalline ship in orbit

2471
01:24:58,870 --> 01:24:56,960
exploding

2472
01:25:00,390 --> 01:24:58,880
then suddenly the anomaly goes away

2473
01:25:01,990 --> 01:25:00,400
right because this is precisely what you

2474
01:25:04,149 --> 01:25:02,000
have molten material from something that

2475
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:04,159
was always entirely silica

2476
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:05,760
raining down across about 20 to 30

2477
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:07,600
percent of the planet's surface

2478
01:25:11,590 --> 01:25:09,679
we find that the debris trail starts at

2479
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:11,600
antarctica goes all the way to basically

2480
01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:13,679
south china and laos right and then

2481
01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:15,199
there's this material is spread right

2482
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:16,639
across that region

2483
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:18,320
so that was like obviously that was a

2484
01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:19,679
massive you know massive kind of

2485
01:25:22,709 --> 01:25:21,199
clincher at first you know thinking

2486
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:22,719
about christ you know that's that's

2487
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:25,040
extraordinary you know we've got is you

2488
01:25:28,629 --> 01:25:26,880
know the the signature for exactly what

2489
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:28,639
we're told in that information you know

2490
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:31,120
a huge silicon object playing a part in

2491
01:25:35,350 --> 01:25:33,600
orbit and leaving debris so it was that

2492
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:35,360
the next thing in there was they said

2493
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:38,159
five years later there is a deliberate

2494
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:40,000
bombardment of our planet with asteroids

2495
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:41,040
so these

2496
01:25:45,270 --> 01:25:43,120
ships drag these asteroids in they

2497
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:45,280
bombard underground facilities on the

2498
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:47,280
planets you know on our planet by this

2499
01:25:51,270 --> 01:25:49,520
other group that are already here

2500
01:25:53,669 --> 01:25:51,280
who've blown the ship out of orbit just

2501
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:53,679
to clarify that that they then bombard

2502
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:55,440
the planet with asteroids now i was

2503
01:25:58,550 --> 01:25:56,960
thinking look you know if something like

2504
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:58,560
that happened you know it'd be quite

2505
01:26:02,470 --> 01:26:00,880
well known uh it'd be so massive you

2506
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:02,480
know that we would probably learned

2507
01:26:05,830 --> 01:26:04,000
about it in school and stuff you know

2508
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:05,840
the greater asteroid bombardment you

2509
01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:07,440
know

2510
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:08,880
i remember that

2511
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:10,320
so yeah yeah you'd think you know i was

2512
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:11,520
thinking big it's like with the dinosaur

2513
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,800
thing that we've all heard of you know

2514
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:14,639
the chicks lab and the giant you know

2515
01:26:18,070 --> 01:26:16,400
asteroid that killed the dinosaurs so

2516
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:18,080
i'm thinking you know something this

2517
01:26:21,189 --> 01:26:19,600
scale is going to be as famous as that

2518
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:21,199
like how i've never heard of it you know

2519
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:23,040
maybe it's not real again you know or

2520
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:25,040
it's just being forgotten you know in

2521
01:26:29,350 --> 01:26:27,520
the in the shifting sounds of time but i

2522
01:26:31,270 --> 01:26:29,360
thought you know it's a big enough event

2523
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:31,280
uh to be worth looking for in the

2524
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:33,920
academic records and so i thought yeah

2525
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:35,280
okay i'll look for that so i went

2526
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:36,719
through and it turned out the reason why

2527
01:26:39,870 --> 01:26:38,080
i hadn't heard of it is because nobody

2528
01:26:42,629 --> 01:26:39,880
had found it it was only found until in

2529
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:42,639
2015 so again you know there's no way

2530
01:26:45,270 --> 01:26:43,600
that you know valerie could have known

2531
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:45,280
this or anybody else going back in you

2532
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:48,480
know 2003 or whatever uh it turns out in

2533
01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:51,280
2015 german geological survey has found

2534
01:26:55,110 --> 01:26:53,280
evidence that there was a a planetary

2535
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:55,120
wide bombardment of asteroids but they

2536
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:58,159
hit in the in mesoamerica here in asia

2537
01:27:03,270 --> 01:27:01,040
they've hit in um down in tasmania

2538
01:27:04,629 --> 01:27:03,280
there's one in antarctica

2539
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:04,639
and like literally and the thing is you

2540
01:27:09,030 --> 01:27:06,719
could think okay was this an asteroid

2541
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:09,040
you know large one that broke apart

2542
01:27:11,910 --> 01:27:10,719
right and you know you can form these

2543
01:27:13,669 --> 01:27:11,920
kind of swarms

2544
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:13,679
no because it turns out that when they

2545
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:14,960
analyze them they have difficult

2546
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:16,320
chemical comp

2547
01:27:19,830 --> 01:27:17,520
it's like different chemical

2548
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:19,840
compositions yeah so you have unique

2549
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:22,400
asteroids all hitting at the same time

2550
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:24,719
and when did it hit approximately 780

2551
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:26,880
000 years ago yeah so we got the same

2552
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:29,520
dating again as the as the

2553
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:31,760
debris which i say is craft debris now

2554
01:27:35,669 --> 01:27:33,360
and of course you would expect if these

2555
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:35,679
are real events they should mesh in time

2556
01:27:38,950 --> 01:27:37,520
yeah because there's no good if one is

2557
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:38,960
you know a million years ago and once

2558
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:40,560
500 000 years ago you know that'd be

2559
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:42,719
just cherry picking but obviously you

2560
01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:45,520
got the meshing in time so i'm like okay

2561
01:27:48,950 --> 01:27:47,440
right it's said in the transmission that

2562
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:48,960
there was this event and there was this

2563
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:51,280
event and those are both real yeah they

2564
01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:52,960
both factually have happened and there's

2565
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:54,800
the academics are working on them and

2566
01:27:58,629 --> 01:27:56,320
they're anomalous you know you've got

2567
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:58,639
one is a 100 year long mystery the other

2568
01:28:02,149 --> 01:28:00,719
one is bizarrely anomalous because

2569
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:02,159
there's no other point in history where

2570
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:04,320
we have a multi-directional bombardment

2571
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:06,400
of asteroids you know except for in the

2572
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:08,080
late heavy bombardment the beginning of

2573
01:28:12,070 --> 01:28:10,560
the you know the planet basically um

2574
01:28:14,229 --> 01:28:12,080
after that you know we occasionally get

2575
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:14,239
hit by a large object but we don't get

2576
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:15,760
hit by like five or six of them in

2577
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:17,440
different directions right that's

2578
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:19,440
totally weird and there's no attempt to

2579
01:28:23,750 --> 01:28:21,440
explain that in the paper by the way

2580
01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:23,760
they don't even attempt to tackle that

2581
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:25,440
they just say you know it's happened

2582
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:26,880
right and then the third thing of course

2583
01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:29,360
was the genetic engineering now i

2584
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:30,719
already knew from my other book the

2585
01:28:34,709 --> 01:28:32,719
forgotten exodus into africa theory

2586
01:28:36,149 --> 01:28:34,719
which you know having tackled human

2587
01:28:37,350 --> 01:28:36,159
evolution i'm quite aware of the papers

2588
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:37,360
and stuff already knew there was

2589
01:28:41,110 --> 01:28:39,520
anomalies and stuff in that area but

2590
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:41,120
again you know as we discussed earlier

2591
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:44,320
it turns out that yeah around about 780

2592
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:46,320
000 years ago we have the chromosome 2

2593
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:48,719
fusion and we also have the beginning of

2594
01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:50,880
the lineages that lead to all large

2595
01:28:55,030 --> 01:28:52,960
brain humans neanderthals denisovans and

2596
01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:55,040
us right and that all happens on that

2597
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:57,520
around that 700 750 to 800 000 years ago

2598
01:29:00,470 --> 01:28:58,719
so in the middle of that you've got the

2599
01:29:02,070 --> 01:29:00,480
780 and there's a number of different

2600
01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:02,080
lines of evidence that support that

2601
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:04,000
basically different proteins you know

2602
01:29:07,590 --> 01:29:05,600
different um

2603
01:29:08,629 --> 01:29:07,600
divergence in the dna between dinosaurs

2604
01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:08,639
and earth there's a lot of different

2605
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:11,040
studies you can find on that so again

2606
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:13,280
you now have the third thing which is

2607
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:14,480
the idea that

2608
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:15,199
we

2609
01:29:19,830 --> 01:29:16,880
you know separate away from our

2610
01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:19,840
ancestral hominins you know around 780

2611
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:21,040
000 years ago

2612
01:29:25,669 --> 01:29:23,440
right on the same mark now

2613
01:29:26,950 --> 01:29:25,679
in terms of lucky chances or something

2614
01:29:29,830 --> 01:29:26,960
right the fact that we're going to get

2615
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:29,840
all three hits from this download from

2616
01:29:34,229 --> 01:29:32,560
this object you know is just so remote

2617
01:29:35,830 --> 01:29:34,239
just to be that you know he's like

2618
01:29:37,990 --> 01:29:35,840
winning the lottery like three times in

2619
01:29:39,270 --> 01:29:38,000
a row you know is that kind of odds you

2620
01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:39,280
know but if somebody if i came up to you

2621
01:29:43,590 --> 01:29:41,199
i said look steven i'm just gonna make

2622
01:29:46,629 --> 01:29:43,600
up this story to you and i'm gonna say

2623
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:46,639
you know some aliens came and they they

2624
01:29:50,070 --> 01:29:48,480
they built such a such a structure and

2625
01:29:51,669 --> 01:29:50,080
they did and then they went and did this

2626
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:51,679
and they went into that what's the

2627
01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:53,440
chance of it and you went and found all

2628
01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:55,120
of those things were real and from my

2629
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:56,960
made-up story and they all were at the

2630
01:30:01,350 --> 01:29:58,800
same date i mean and they're all hugely

2631
01:30:03,270 --> 01:30:01,360
anomalous massive geological events that

2632
01:30:05,270 --> 01:30:03,280
you know are not known from any other

2633
01:30:07,189 --> 01:30:05,280
time and they all correspond to the same

2634
01:30:09,189 --> 01:30:07,199
date and mesh exactly with the story

2635
01:30:11,030 --> 01:30:09,199
that this object is telling us i mean at

2636
01:30:13,030 --> 01:30:11,040
that point i mean you've gotta i don't

2637
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:13,040
know i mean you tell me you know when

2638
01:30:16,629 --> 01:30:14,880
you put in that context i mean it's very

2639
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:16,639
difficult to see that as just someone's

2640
01:30:20,709 --> 01:30:19,040
lucky guesses yeah this is one of those

2641
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:20,719
things that i like about your work is

2642
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:22,159
like it's

2643
01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:24,880
it's a mystery history but it's not it's

2644
01:30:30,070 --> 01:30:28,080
not that far-fetched a mystery no and

2645
01:30:32,310 --> 01:30:30,080
it's kind of like when you put in that

2646
01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:32,320
view that you know what would we expect

2647
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:33,760
that could last that amount of time

2648
01:30:36,550 --> 01:30:34,880
those are the kind of things that would

2649
01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:36,560
last it's not when we wouldn't really

2650
01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:39,280
expect to find you know an alien base

2651
01:30:43,830 --> 01:30:42,480
that's lasted 780 000 years you know so

2652
01:30:46,149 --> 01:30:43,840
we have to be aware when we go to those

2653
01:30:48,709 --> 01:30:46,159
kind of dates we're not going to find

2654
01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:48,719
anything but those geological level kind

2655
01:30:52,709 --> 01:30:51,120
of events so so that's interesting that

2656
01:30:53,990 --> 01:30:52,719
you know that's where we find the

2657
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:54,000
evidence because it doesn't mean that

2658
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:56,400
there wasn't you know beings walking

2659
01:31:00,629 --> 01:30:58,159
around with ray guns or you know they

2660
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:00,639
didn't have machines but it's a long

2661
01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:03,360
time we can't expect to find those you

2662
01:31:05,750 --> 01:31:04,320
know

2663
01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:05,760
i wouldn't have thought i'm not going to

2664
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:08,080
say i i don't know if there's not some

2665
01:31:11,510 --> 01:31:09,840
technologies that can last that long

2666
01:31:12,790 --> 01:31:11,520
that they have but but certainly it's

2667
01:31:14,229 --> 01:31:12,800
the geological events that last and it

2668
01:31:15,270 --> 01:31:14,239
turns out you know all three of the

2669
01:31:17,669 --> 01:31:15,280
biggest

2670
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:17,679
you know events that they they name you

2671
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:20,080
know pan out to be real so i mean if on

2672
01:31:24,470 --> 01:31:21,600
that basis if someone can give me three

2673
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:24,480
really big you know wins i'm i'm willing

2674
01:31:28,950 --> 01:31:26,560
to take them you know more on faith on

2675
01:31:30,790 --> 01:31:28,960
some of the other stuff right because

2676
01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:30,800
to maybe ought to not throw channeling

2677
01:31:35,669 --> 01:31:33,760
out so quickly if there's evidentiary

2678
01:31:37,750 --> 01:31:35,679
support that you could find to back up

2679
01:31:40,709 --> 01:31:37,760
the the things claimed in the channeling

2680
01:31:42,470 --> 01:31:40,719
then i guess it may be a valid source

2681
01:31:43,270 --> 01:31:42,480
also of course you know we know now that

2682
01:31:44,629 --> 01:31:43,280
i mean i wouldn't even call it

2683
01:31:46,310 --> 01:31:44,639
channeling i'd call it voice-to-skill

2684
01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:46,320
technologies because i mean we know now

2685
01:31:50,229 --> 01:31:48,400
that we're creating this ourselves we

2686
01:31:52,870 --> 01:31:50,239
have in mit they're you know they're

2687
01:31:54,310 --> 01:31:52,880
doing voice to skull now if you were to

2688
01:31:55,990 --> 01:31:54,320
create a probe that you were going to

2689
01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:56,000
send out to alien races right and you

2690
01:32:00,870 --> 01:31:58,400
wanted to monitor and make contact how

2691
01:32:02,629 --> 01:32:00,880
is it going to make contact right now

2692
01:32:04,870 --> 01:32:02,639
it's surely the best way to make contact

2693
01:32:06,310 --> 01:32:04,880
is some kind of interface directly into

2694
01:32:07,270 --> 01:32:06,320
the brain of the creatures there because

2695
01:32:08,390 --> 01:32:07,280
you can't have it speaking every

2696
01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:08,400
language you don't know what language

2697
01:32:12,310 --> 01:32:10,000
they're going to have right so if you

2698
01:32:13,590 --> 01:32:12,320
use voice-to-skull technologies it

2699
01:32:15,510 --> 01:32:13,600
interfaces directly with the

2700
01:32:18,149 --> 01:32:15,520
intelligence right with whatever being's

2701
01:32:21,030 --> 01:32:18,159
plan it lands on so that is precisely

2702
01:32:22,709 --> 01:32:21,040
again what i would expect them to equip

2703
01:32:24,390 --> 01:32:22,719
the thing with because again these are

2704
01:32:26,229 --> 01:32:24,400
all technologies we now have that's the

2705
01:32:27,430 --> 01:32:26,239
only way we could recognize it otherwise

2706
01:32:28,950 --> 01:32:27,440
we'd have to just say you know it sounds

2707
01:32:31,030 --> 01:32:28,960
like we're channeling stuff i mean this

2708
01:32:33,750 --> 01:32:31,040
guy's mit and stuff are now making

2709
01:32:35,590 --> 01:32:33,760
voice-to-skill technologies so i think

2710
01:32:37,430 --> 01:32:35,600
if we were to send out ai probes

2711
01:32:39,110 --> 01:32:37,440
ourselves we're going to equip them with

2712
01:32:41,110 --> 01:32:39,120
those kind of technologies we're not

2713
01:32:43,350 --> 01:32:41,120
going to hope that somehow you know we

2714
01:32:44,229 --> 01:32:43,360
can print out a letter saying hello or

2715
01:32:45,590 --> 01:32:44,239
something you know that it doesn't make

2716
01:32:47,990 --> 01:32:45,600
sense you need it to be able to

2717
01:32:49,669 --> 01:32:48,000
interface with any being it meets and

2718
01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:49,679
the only way i think it does that is

2719
01:32:54,709 --> 01:32:52,560
some kind of ai mind to biological mind

2720
01:32:56,229 --> 01:32:54,719
communication or ai mind ai mind because

2721
01:32:58,070 --> 01:32:56,239
you might land on an ai planet or

2722
01:33:00,390 --> 01:32:58,080
whatever um so it's gotta be able to

2723
01:33:01,590 --> 01:33:00,400
interface so that's so again

2724
01:33:02,470 --> 01:33:01,600
i don't even know if i yeah i wouldn't

2725
01:33:04,149 --> 01:33:02,480
call it all the channeling because

2726
01:33:06,470 --> 01:33:04,159
channeling we'd think of someone you

2727
01:33:07,990 --> 01:33:06,480
know sitting you know in meditation or

2728
01:33:09,590 --> 01:33:08,000
whatever and asking the b i'm not saying

2729
01:33:11,750 --> 01:33:09,600
that you know that may not be part of it

2730
01:33:13,990 --> 01:33:11,760
maybe it is but again with the object

2731
01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:14,000
being there and it only is starting when

2732
01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:15,600
the object is there

2733
01:33:19,110 --> 01:33:17,760
to me it suggests the object is doing

2734
01:33:21,030 --> 01:33:19,120
something on the lines of hacking into

2735
01:33:23,350 --> 01:33:21,040
your brain yeah did you mention that she

2736
01:33:24,870 --> 01:33:23,360
got some kind of artifact

2737
01:33:26,149 --> 01:33:24,880
yeah this this was the artifact this is

2738
01:33:27,669 --> 01:33:26,159
what it started only when the architect

2739
01:33:29,189 --> 01:33:27,679
came to our house

2740
01:33:31,430 --> 01:33:29,199
okay we saw that there was it wasn't

2741
01:33:33,189 --> 01:33:31,440
happening so what what

2742
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:33,199
what's the deal with the artifact is it

2743
01:33:37,590 --> 01:33:35,120
still out there does she have it can we

2744
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:37,600
see it it was no the train though in

2745
01:33:41,110 --> 01:33:39,520
fact you know you've not even lost it

2746
01:33:42,790 --> 01:33:41,120
she respected the fact that she was told

2747
01:33:45,430 --> 01:33:42,800
not to actually look regular tringers

2748
01:33:47,189 --> 01:33:45,440
are forbidden for us to look upon unless

2749
01:33:49,669 --> 01:33:47,199
we are a fully

2750
01:33:51,910 --> 01:33:49,679
initiated elder in the aboriginal kind

2751
01:33:53,990 --> 01:33:51,920
of system that again even aboriginal

2752
01:33:55,669 --> 01:33:54,000
people normal people wouldn't be able to

2753
01:33:57,510 --> 01:33:55,679
look at it right you're not allowed to

2754
01:33:59,510 --> 01:33:57,520
send photo picking photos of the more

2755
01:34:00,870 --> 01:33:59,520
modern replicas of these things is

2756
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:00,880
totally taboo

2757
01:34:05,270 --> 01:34:03,440
um so no we probably would never have a

2758
01:34:06,709 --> 01:34:05,280
picture and if i had one i really you

2759
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:06,719
know i would burn all my bridges with

2760
01:34:09,510 --> 01:34:08,080
all the aboriginal people if i was to

2761
01:34:12,950 --> 01:34:09,520
put a photo of it's like their most

2762
01:34:16,709 --> 01:34:14,870
but to the skeptics that kind of means

2763
01:34:19,030 --> 01:34:16,719
there's a convenient excuse for why we

2764
01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:19,040
can't inspect it or study it right well

2765
01:34:22,550 --> 01:34:20,320
it was set back he was sent back to

2766
01:34:24,310 --> 01:34:22,560
aboriginal people oh it was sent back

2767
01:34:25,750 --> 01:34:24,320
yeah it was the idea that when the women

2768
01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:25,760
came to her house she said she was

2769
01:34:29,350 --> 01:34:27,040
trying to get this thing back to the

2770
01:34:31,030 --> 01:34:29,360
orientation they're empty people because

2771
01:34:34,629 --> 01:34:31,040
it's their artifact you've been taken

2772
01:34:36,550 --> 01:34:34,639
from a cave about a century before by a

2773
01:34:38,950 --> 01:34:36,560
trader on a camel train who had found

2774
01:34:41,189 --> 01:34:38,960
this thing a glowing strange small

2775
01:34:43,189 --> 01:34:41,199
glowing object inside a cave and he'd

2776
01:34:44,629 --> 01:34:43,199
taken it um and then now this is a

2777
01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:44,639
couple of generations later someone was

2778
01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:46,000
wanting to return it there's a lady who

2779
01:34:49,350 --> 01:34:47,440
was actually dying she was quite you

2780
01:34:50,550 --> 01:34:49,360
know unwell when she came to valerie she

2781
01:34:51,669 --> 01:34:50,560
said you know please can you look after

2782
01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:51,679
you i want to get it back to these

2783
01:34:56,070 --> 01:34:53,920
people um but i have to go for treatment

2784
01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:56,080
i i know that you know you're kind of

2785
01:34:59,350 --> 01:34:57,360
open-minded person she's kind of a

2786
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:59,360
holistic therapist it's a house called

2787
01:35:02,870 --> 01:35:00,800
altaringa and that was one of the

2788
01:35:05,030 --> 01:35:02,880
coincidences because it's a charinga

2789
01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:05,040
stone from the al jaringa time so she

2790
01:35:08,470 --> 01:35:07,199
took that as being a sign you know that

2791
01:35:13,350 --> 01:35:08,480
that was the right person to leave it

2792
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:13,750
yeah the yeah

2793
01:35:15,990 --> 01:35:15,109
coincidence is the lead people you know

2794
01:35:17,590 --> 01:35:16,000
obviously if you're in that kind of

2795
01:35:18,629 --> 01:35:17,600
world of strangeness those are the

2796
01:35:20,070 --> 01:35:18,639
things that stand out to you you know

2797
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:20,080
you've got a tringer from the outrigger

2798
01:35:23,109 --> 01:35:21,360
time and you hear there's this lady that

2799
01:35:24,790 --> 01:35:23,119
lives nearby lived in the outdoor house

2800
01:35:25,910 --> 01:35:24,800
and all this stuff so obviously she came

2801
01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:25,920
to her and said you know will you look

2802
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:27,600
after it and so she agreed and said you

2803
01:35:30,950 --> 01:35:29,040
know when you're better come and collect

2804
01:35:32,950 --> 01:35:30,960
it and it was from that moment onwards

2805
01:35:34,629 --> 01:35:32,960
it announced itself and started talking

2806
01:35:36,790 --> 01:35:34,639
to her saying you know i am a

2807
01:35:38,390 --> 01:35:36,800
i'm a you know an extra extra star

2808
01:35:40,310 --> 01:35:38,400
person they call itself a star person

2809
01:35:41,830 --> 01:35:40,320
from the you know the al tringa time the

2810
01:35:43,830 --> 01:35:41,840
time when the first ancestors were

2811
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:43,840
created hence the name of the book uh

2812
01:35:47,189 --> 01:35:45,360
and then it went on to detail all of

2813
01:35:49,270 --> 01:35:47,199
these events right and there's a whole

2814
01:35:51,430 --> 01:35:49,280
long long additional narrative you know

2815
01:35:53,189 --> 01:35:51,440
i'm really only sharing the bit that i

2816
01:35:54,470 --> 01:35:53,199
can validate and a little bit further

2817
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:54,480
you know the stuff about why because you

2818
01:35:58,870 --> 01:35:56,400
know you ask me why they did it yeah i

2819
01:36:01,270 --> 01:35:58,880
appreciate it it's a great great story

2820
01:36:03,109 --> 01:36:01,280
and you know it's got that tantalizing

2821
01:36:04,950 --> 01:36:03,119
aspect to it because like

2822
01:36:08,149 --> 01:36:04,960
when i hear about like uh like the

2823
01:36:10,629 --> 01:36:08,159
aurora texas ufo crash and there may be

2824
01:36:13,030 --> 01:36:10,639
an alien body buried in a graveyard in

2825
01:36:15,350 --> 01:36:13,040
aurora texas so tantalizing like let's

2826
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:15,360
go dig it up so when i hear about this

2827
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:17,840
possible alien probe it's the same thing

2828
01:36:22,149 --> 01:36:20,400
for me emotionally is like let's get to

2829
01:36:22,830 --> 01:36:22,159
it and there's the proof

2830
01:36:29,189 --> 01:36:22,840
you

2831
01:36:30,950 --> 01:36:29,199
these stories so the thing is oh look i

2832
01:36:33,270 --> 01:36:30,960
mean one of the problems is look the

2833
01:36:35,430 --> 01:36:33,280
the bridges with the aboriginal people

2834
01:36:38,310 --> 01:36:35,440
are very badly damaged because you know

2835
01:36:41,109 --> 01:36:38,320
look they've had they've been treated

2836
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:41,119
absolutely so to ask them to wheel out

2837
01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:42,800
say their most sacred object and all

2838
01:36:46,149 --> 01:36:44,800
that for our curiosity's sake or even

2839
01:36:48,070 --> 01:36:46,159
for the sake of science it's going to be

2840
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:48,080
hard but it's not impossible you know

2841
01:36:51,189 --> 01:36:49,600
this if they are still holding these

2842
01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:51,199
things and there may be more than one i

2843
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:52,960
think there's probably more than one

2844
01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:55,360
but you know we could humbly say you

2845
01:36:59,189 --> 01:36:57,360
know well we you know we have some

2846
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:59,199
reason to believe that you have this

2847
01:37:03,669 --> 01:37:01,199
object which is you know an alien

2848
01:37:05,830 --> 01:37:03,679
contact technology you know is there any

2849
01:37:07,109 --> 01:37:05,840
circumstances under which you know it

2850
01:37:08,550 --> 01:37:07,119
could be brought out you know is this

2851
01:37:10,629 --> 01:37:08,560
the time when it's allowed to be brought

2852
01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:10,639
out or you know it may well be that

2853
01:37:13,590 --> 01:37:12,000
there is a time that they know it's

2854
01:37:15,510 --> 01:37:13,600
supposed to come out you know so i i

2855
01:37:17,910 --> 01:37:15,520
can't say that i can't say that it will

2856
01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:17,920
or not but also it's not being like

2857
01:37:20,629 --> 01:37:19,520
destroyed or thrown into the sea or

2858
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:20,639
anything you know it was sent back to

2859
01:37:25,750 --> 01:37:21,360
the

2860
01:37:27,750 --> 01:37:25,760
people of uluru in that area so

2861
01:37:29,669 --> 01:37:27,760
i assume that they still have it and you

2862
01:37:31,350 --> 01:37:29,679
know so therefore it is in some sense

2863
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:31,360
somebody somewhere out there may have

2864
01:37:35,030 --> 01:37:33,360
this in their house right

2865
01:37:37,270 --> 01:37:35,040
it's not like that's crazy that's the

2866
01:37:40,070 --> 01:37:37,280
crazy thought that makes it even more

2867
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:40,080
tanalizing is that the absolute proof of

2868
01:37:44,310 --> 01:37:41,840
alien contact may be sitting in

2869
01:37:46,149 --> 01:37:44,320
somebody's garage in australia somewhere

2870
01:37:49,350 --> 01:37:46,159
yeah yeah quite you know

2871
01:37:51,109 --> 01:37:49,360
because of that the mythology to it the

2872
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:51,119
sacredness of it you know i don't know

2873
01:37:54,310 --> 01:37:52,000
what it would take it would take

2874
01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:54,320
obviously an elder somebody who's

2875
01:37:57,830 --> 01:37:55,920
you know a very respected person to be

2876
01:37:59,510 --> 01:37:57,840
able to decide to go out and try and

2877
01:38:01,350 --> 01:37:59,520
make that happen i mean it's beyond my

2878
01:38:03,910 --> 01:38:01,360
ability i mean i would hope that perhaps

2879
01:38:05,590 --> 01:38:03,920
with this story becoming better known

2880
01:38:07,270 --> 01:38:05,600
that they might make a statement we

2881
01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:07,280
might eventually hear that you know

2882
01:38:11,189 --> 01:38:08,880
people are willing to say that yes you

2883
01:38:13,350 --> 01:38:11,199
know these charingas can talk and they

2884
01:38:15,030 --> 01:38:13,360
do share information about the past and

2885
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:15,040
that you know this information is you

2886
01:38:19,590 --> 01:38:17,440
know as accurate as they understand it

2887
01:38:21,030 --> 01:38:19,600
um but an interesting point actually was

2888
01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:21,040
there was actually you know there was an

2889
01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:22,320
elder an aboriginal elder that was

2890
01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:24,000
involved in the backstory of this

2891
01:38:27,270 --> 01:38:25,199
because

2892
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:27,280
there was a chap called um

2893
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:28,400
jerry

2894
01:38:33,990 --> 01:38:32,320
aboriginal heroes since passed on

2895
01:38:35,510 --> 01:38:34,000
and he came to

2896
01:38:36,790 --> 01:38:35,520
come to valerie's house again he was

2897
01:38:38,550 --> 01:38:36,800
traveling with a friend of valerie's and

2898
01:38:39,750 --> 01:38:38,560
she said oh my friend lives down this

2899
01:38:41,030 --> 01:38:39,760
road you know she lives in a house

2900
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:41,040
called altaringa and just you know

2901
01:38:43,669 --> 01:38:42,400
people just feel prompted to say

2902
01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:43,679
something he said oh right you know

2903
01:38:47,669 --> 01:38:45,440
let's go there then you know recognizing

2904
01:38:49,350 --> 01:38:47,679
is an aboriginal name for the house he

2905
01:38:51,189 --> 01:38:49,360
just felt that he should go there uh

2906
01:38:52,470 --> 01:38:51,199
went to the house he met her and she

2907
01:38:53,590 --> 01:38:52,480
said she just had this feeling that he

2908
01:38:55,590 --> 01:38:53,600
knew it was there and she sort of

2909
01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:55,600
blurted out i don't i don't touch you

2910
01:38:58,229 --> 01:38:56,960
know i don't look at it kind of thing

2911
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:58,239
it's it's just in a box in the other

2912
01:39:01,189 --> 01:38:59,520
room he said you know it's man's bit

2913
01:39:02,950 --> 01:39:01,199
it's like it's men's business

2914
01:39:05,030 --> 01:39:02,960
you know because which is true because

2915
01:39:07,669 --> 01:39:05,040
these things were only allowed to be

2916
01:39:09,990 --> 01:39:07,679
looked upon by male high initiated

2917
01:39:11,750 --> 01:39:10,000
elders right so he in some sense would

2918
01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:11,760
already be kind of like it's kind of

2919
01:39:15,669 --> 01:39:13,600
similar to the ark of the covenant you

2920
01:39:17,750 --> 01:39:15,679
have to be the high priest to even

2921
01:39:20,390 --> 01:39:17,760
to even view it and go in the holy of

2922
01:39:21,910 --> 01:39:20,400
holies and there's a whole ceremony yeah

2923
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:21,920
that's quite right you know it may be

2924
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:23,280
that there's not you know there may be

2925
01:39:26,229 --> 01:39:24,960
an overlap in that story of the ark of

2926
01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:26,239
the government right because it was

2927
01:39:30,390 --> 01:39:27,920
nearly you know you sort of an arc a

2928
01:39:32,470 --> 01:39:30,400
container you know a container

2929
01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:32,480
so you know is this really the proto

2930
01:39:36,870 --> 01:39:34,239
story of the ark of the covenant quite

2931
01:39:38,550 --> 01:39:36,880
possibly and if there's multiple

2932
01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:38,560
of these the ark of the covenant may be

2933
01:39:41,910 --> 01:39:40,159
one of these charingas these objects

2934
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:41,920
these bracelet probes right because

2935
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:44,159
again it seemed to be a technological

2936
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:46,080
thing right and people saying how you

2937
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:47,440
know electrical effects and all sorts of

2938
01:39:51,590 --> 01:39:49,520
strange things around it um now i'm not

2939
01:39:52,629 --> 01:39:51,600
saying it is but it's possible and as

2940
01:39:54,149 --> 01:39:52,639
it's interesting you point out because

2941
01:39:55,830 --> 01:39:54,159
yeah that it does have that same kind of

2942
01:39:57,590 --> 01:39:55,840
narrative only certain people could look

2943
01:39:59,830 --> 01:39:57,600
upon it and they take out these high

2944
01:40:02,390 --> 01:39:59,840
elders and stuff right so again you know

2945
01:40:03,990 --> 01:40:02,400
is this an echo of an older story

2946
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:04,000
quite possibly

2947
01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:05,920
um and that this you know so this

2948
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:07,760
information you know he he got involved

2949
01:40:10,070 --> 01:40:08,880
with it one of the things that was

2950
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:10,080
interesting about that is that he

2951
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:12,960
actually said that for years he had had

2952
01:40:17,830 --> 01:40:15,520
dreams of being on this ship on a with

2953
01:40:19,990 --> 01:40:17,840
all this white uh inside of this craft

2954
01:40:21,669 --> 01:40:20,000
an explosion and then you know there's

2955
01:40:23,669 --> 01:40:21,679
being an escape ship having only just

2956
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:23,679
time to bring a few people onto a

2957
01:40:28,070 --> 01:40:25,920
smaller craft and escaping and he'd had

2958
01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:28,080
this recurring dream for years

2959
01:40:31,109 --> 01:40:29,199
and then once you get involved with

2960
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:31,119
valerie they went he said we need to go

2961
01:40:35,189 --> 01:40:33,840
to um carry on to gosford which is

2962
01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:35,199
famous for the gosford glyphs which is a

2963
01:40:39,189 --> 01:40:37,440
whole controversy in itself um a load of

2964
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:39,199
glyphs that appeared to be ancient um

2965
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:41,760
proto-egyptian carved into rocks in new

2966
01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:43,600
south wales

2967
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:45,280
basically so they went there there's an

2968
01:40:49,189 --> 01:40:46,800
aboriginal sacred site there but there's

2969
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:49,199
also these glyphs which you know

2970
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:50,400
depending on what you believe whether

2971
01:40:53,510 --> 01:40:51,920
they're modern hoax or whether they're

2972
01:40:55,030 --> 01:40:53,520
ancient whatever there's a you know

2973
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:55,040
there's an additional strange sight

2974
01:40:59,350 --> 01:40:57,600
attached to the aboriginal sacred site

2975
01:41:00,790 --> 01:40:59,360
and i think they went to this place and

2976
01:41:03,189 --> 01:41:00,800
when they got there they found

2977
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:03,199
themselves slipping into a kind of um

2978
01:41:06,149 --> 01:41:04,719
you know like um you had to destroy the

2979
01:41:07,669 --> 01:41:06,159
two women in the garden of versailles

2980
01:41:09,669 --> 01:41:07,679
and they find themselves in another time

2981
01:41:11,350 --> 01:41:09,679
and they see the people in in in the

2982
01:41:13,109 --> 01:41:11,360
clothes of the time or these kind of

2983
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:13,119
time slips so that they have one of

2984
01:41:16,070 --> 01:41:14,560
these a kind of time slip they said

2985
01:41:18,229 --> 01:41:16,080
there was a one where they in present

2986
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:18,239
day carry on the next they find that

2987
01:41:23,270 --> 01:41:20,560
they are looking down at a scene at

2988
01:41:25,750 --> 01:41:23,280
broken bay below them and they can see a

2989
01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:25,760
saucer craft crashed into the water and

2990
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:27,840
another one hovering above picking out

2991
01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:29,760
beings out of the water and when they

2992
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:30,880
look at themselves and they realize

2993
01:41:34,470 --> 01:41:32,800
they're no longer human they're humanoid

2994
01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:34,480
they're tall humanoids with elongated

2995
01:41:37,830 --> 01:41:36,480
heads and they're no longer themselves

2996
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:37,840
humans and they realize that they have

2997
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:40,560
lived a life before as these beings and

2998
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:41,760
that that's why they've been brought

2999
01:41:45,109 --> 01:41:43,440
together and why he'd been having the

3000
01:41:47,510 --> 01:41:45,119
dreams he said he now understand he said

3001
01:41:49,510 --> 01:41:47,520
i understand now you know the the reason

3002
01:41:51,030 --> 01:41:49,520
why it cuts off

3003
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:51,040
in the dream with the ship coming down

3004
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:51,920
he says

3005
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:54,159
i was the pilot of the ship that's

3006
01:41:59,430 --> 01:41:56,480
crashed in the water and i died in the

3007
01:42:01,109 --> 01:41:59,440
water and it pinned inside the ship

3008
01:42:02,950 --> 01:42:01,119
and so he had the conclusions the

3009
01:42:05,109 --> 01:42:02,960
conclusive part of what he'd seen for

3010
01:42:07,270 --> 01:42:05,119
years and years in these visions of him

3011
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:07,280
in this escape ship he said now looking

3012
01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:09,280
down he realized it was him in the other

3013
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:10,400
ship and stuff like really weird you

3014
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:12,480
know he's super weird um but that

3015
01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:14,000
happened spontaneously when they got to

3016
01:42:16,870 --> 01:42:15,040
this site and then they realized that

3017
01:42:19,270 --> 01:42:16,880
this site was where the ships had come

3018
01:42:21,030 --> 01:42:19,280
down the survivors had landed just down

3019
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:21,040
in the waters of broken bay in new south

3020
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:23,920
wales so that again a whole other weird

3021
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:24,960
element but with the aboriginal

3022
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:27,040
involvement with a respected elder

3023
01:42:29,669 --> 01:42:28,480
saying that you know obviously he'd been

3024
01:42:30,550 --> 01:42:29,679
having dreams of this and he said for

3025
01:42:32,629 --> 01:42:30,560
aboriginal people they don't have a

3026
01:42:34,229 --> 01:42:32,639
problem about this kind of narrative he

3027
01:42:36,149 --> 01:42:34,239
said obviously for he understandable for

3028
01:42:37,270 --> 01:42:36,159
western minds it's difficult but you

3029
01:42:38,390 --> 01:42:37,280
know for aboriginal people they don't

3030
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:38,400
have problems with the al charinga

3031
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:40,159
beings being already considered to have

3032
01:42:43,030 --> 01:42:41,600
been the creators of humanity and the

3033
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:43,040
creators of animals and all sorts of

3034
01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:44,639
stuff here that that's part of the

3035
01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:46,719
mythology that there was this dream you

3036
01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:49,360
know the dream time when beings walked

3037
01:42:53,590 --> 01:42:51,280
the land that created things here right

3038
01:42:56,550 --> 01:42:53,600
so if you look in their mythology it

3039
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:56,560
meshes very well with these

3040
01:43:00,550 --> 01:42:58,159
with these accounts you know i mean so

3041
01:43:01,910 --> 01:43:00,560
and again is that because just chance or

3042
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:01,920
did they get that information from the

3043
01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:03,360
probe from the or it may not be

3044
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:04,639
appropriate because it's a life form an

3045
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:06,239
ai being or whatever we want to call it

3046
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:08,080
but did they get that information from

3047
01:43:12,950 --> 01:43:10,880
that being possibly right because if

3048
01:43:14,629 --> 01:43:12,960
they've had these objects since the dawn

3049
01:43:16,149 --> 01:43:14,639
of time and that these things can talk

3050
01:43:17,510 --> 01:43:16,159
to you and just you know put information

3051
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:17,520
into your head that puts a different

3052
01:43:20,790 --> 01:43:19,040
slant in a lot of these aboriginal

3053
01:43:22,709 --> 01:43:20,800
stories right and they have all these

3054
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:22,719
legends of beings from the pleiades that

3055
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:23,600
came

3056
01:43:28,550 --> 01:43:26,000
in fact the the oldest account of the

3057
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:28,560
seven sisters and the orion the hunter

3058
01:43:32,629 --> 01:43:30,400
chasing them comes from aboriginal

3059
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:32,639
australia right not the greek yeah it's

3060
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:34,560
really it's really an amazing culture if

3061
01:43:36,950 --> 01:43:35,760
you study it

3062
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:36,960
but yeah also you know you think about

3063
01:43:41,189 --> 01:43:38,880
that what's the chances that the greek

3064
01:43:43,669 --> 01:43:41,199
myth you know they look up and see those

3065
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:43,679
stars as being seven sisters with a

3066
01:43:47,910 --> 01:43:46,080
hunter orion chasing them and then all

3067
01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:47,920
the way down in australia thousands of

3068
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:50,000
years before they say the same thing is

3069
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:52,000
that just coincidence i think not you

3070
01:43:55,830 --> 01:43:53,280
know i think that obviously is a common

3071
01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:55,840
source a route to this information and

3072
01:43:58,870 --> 01:43:57,199
that you have the same narrative which

3073
01:43:59,830 --> 01:43:58,880
they have is that basically you've got

3074
01:44:02,229 --> 01:43:59,840
two different groups of

3075
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:02,239
extraterrestrials one is linked to orion

3076
01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:04,000
one is linked to the pleiades there's

3077
01:44:08,310 --> 01:44:06,080
animosity between them and that's why

3078
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:08,320
you have in their story that orion is

3079
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:09,520
chasing the pleiades and because this

3080
01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:11,760
actually comes out in this download says

3081
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:13,760
the other group are from orion there's

3082
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:16,080
hostilities between them there has been

3083
01:44:20,470 --> 01:44:18,239
hot war between them in the past it's

3084
01:44:22,149 --> 01:44:20,480
more like you know a cold war by the

3085
01:44:23,350 --> 01:44:22,159
point of this event although the ship is

3086
01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:23,360
destroyed

3087
01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:25,679
so this is a whole other aspect to it

3088
01:44:29,030 --> 01:44:26,800
that there's been

3089
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:29,040
cosmic wars that raged across the galaxy

3090
01:44:33,669 --> 01:44:30,639
and stuff that we have you know long

3091
01:44:35,750 --> 01:44:33,679
before we had got out from you know

3092
01:44:37,350 --> 01:44:35,760
spanning two stones together and that

3093
01:44:40,070 --> 01:44:37,360
you know we we have come out of a much

3094
01:44:41,510 --> 01:44:40,080
bigger cosmic story that is going on you

3095
01:44:43,350 --> 01:44:41,520
know in the background

3096
01:44:45,030 --> 01:44:43,360
is it still going on hard to say i mean

3097
01:44:46,629 --> 01:44:45,040
people still say in these contact events

3098
01:44:49,189 --> 01:44:46,639
that they're told things like that but

3099
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:49,199
certainly 700 780 000 years ago it

3100
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:51,600
appears it was um i don't know you know

3101
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:54,000
today obviously it does explain look in

3102
01:44:56,709 --> 01:44:55,440
some respects if you take this and say

3103
01:44:57,669 --> 01:44:56,719
okay well this is

3104
01:45:00,149 --> 01:44:57,679
you know it's got some evidence

3105
01:45:01,669 --> 01:45:00,159
supporting it it makes sense of

3106
01:45:03,750 --> 01:45:01,679
a lot of the things that people do have

3107
01:45:05,510 --> 01:45:03,760
in contact experiences today you know

3108
01:45:06,790 --> 01:45:05,520
for a start i mean there's a lot of

3109
01:45:08,550 --> 01:45:06,800
people saying that they you know have

3110
01:45:09,510 --> 01:45:08,560
beings from the pleiades talk to them or

3111
01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:09,520
there's a lot of people that have a

3112
01:45:14,470 --> 01:45:12,400
connection with orion um there is talk

3113
01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:14,480
of some kind of cosmic war out there

3114
01:45:18,229 --> 01:45:16,800
that goes on yeah in fact you know the

3115
01:45:20,470 --> 01:45:18,239
[\h__\h] the idea of ships falling from the

3116
01:45:21,830 --> 01:45:20,480
sky you know that you know why would

3117
01:45:23,590 --> 01:45:21,840
your advanced ships just fall from the

3118
01:45:24,870 --> 01:45:23,600
sky you know that if that's real why is

3119
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:24,880
it the alien ships just fall out of the

3120
01:45:28,950 --> 01:45:27,119
sky on fire right unless someone shot

3121
01:45:31,430 --> 01:45:28,960
them out this guy you know are we saying

3122
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:31,440
there are primitive weapons really we're

3123
01:45:36,229 --> 01:45:33,600
taking down alien ships or something in

3124
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:36,239
the 19 you know in the 1940s it seems a

3125
01:45:38,870 --> 01:45:38,080
stretch you know if there's a real craft

3126
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:38,880
again

3127
01:45:43,030 --> 01:45:40,880
you know if they are really crashing and

3128
01:45:44,229 --> 01:45:43,040
there's real alien croc i would suggest

3129
01:45:46,070 --> 01:45:44,239
they would take a technology a bit

3130
01:45:47,750 --> 01:45:46,080
beyond our you know our machine guns or

3131
01:45:49,830 --> 01:45:47,760
something to bring them down right yeah

3132
01:45:51,669 --> 01:45:49,840
so you're probably right well listen

3133
01:45:53,830 --> 01:45:51,679
you've given us you've given us a great

3134
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:53,840
deal of things to think about can you do

3135
01:45:58,950 --> 01:45:55,199
you want to tell my listeners where they

3136
01:46:00,950 --> 01:45:58,960
can get your books and uh contact you

3137
01:46:03,990 --> 01:46:00,960
yeah sure i mean it's um the new book's

3138
01:46:06,310 --> 01:46:04,000
coming out in june and that's exogenesis

3139
01:46:08,310 --> 01:46:06,320
which will be basically available on

3140
01:46:10,149 --> 01:46:08,320
amazon and bookstores you know some with

3141
01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:10,159
the us publisher but at the moment they

3142
01:46:14,790 --> 01:46:12,800
can certainly get hold of my two most

3143
01:46:17,430 --> 01:46:14,800
recent books which is the forgotten

3144
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:17,440
exodus the into africa theory of human

3145
01:46:21,590 --> 01:46:18,960
evolution which doesn't really tackle

3146
01:46:23,270 --> 01:46:21,600
aliens but is more a rewrite of the

3147
01:46:24,950 --> 01:46:23,280
reason out of africa and the story of

3148
01:46:25,910 --> 01:46:24,960
neanderthals denisovans not they all

3149
01:46:27,350 --> 01:46:25,920
find that

3150
01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:27,360
quite a different

3151
01:46:31,109 --> 01:46:28,560
narrative to the one they've heard from

3152
01:46:32,470 --> 01:46:31,119
the mainstream but completely based on

3153
01:46:33,910 --> 01:46:32,480
mainstream science you know

3154
01:46:34,790 --> 01:46:33,920
peer-reviewed papers all the rest of

3155
01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:34,800
that but

3156
01:46:38,229 --> 01:46:36,560
a rewriting of that is in there the

3157
01:46:40,310 --> 01:46:38,239
forward is by graham hancock you know in

3158
01:46:42,070 --> 01:46:40,320
which he says he knows the potential to

3159
01:46:43,350 --> 01:46:42,080
rewrite our own style of human history

3160
01:46:44,870 --> 01:46:43,360
which is obviously a glowing

3161
01:46:48,070 --> 01:46:44,880
recommendation from him

3162
01:46:49,750 --> 01:46:48,080
um in fact your exogenesis has a forward

3163
01:46:51,189 --> 01:46:49,760
from eric von daniken in which he says

3164
01:46:53,990 --> 01:46:51,199
that it should become you know a

3165
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:54,000
textbook in schools um so i'm really

3166
01:46:58,229 --> 01:46:56,080
pleased at that that both books have got

3167
01:46:59,990 --> 01:46:58,239
you know i guess the most prominent

3168
01:47:02,470 --> 01:47:00,000
person in those respective fields to

3169
01:47:05,430 --> 01:47:02,480
actually comment on them um and then

3170
01:47:06,470 --> 01:47:05,440
hybrid humans um

3171
01:47:07,830 --> 01:47:06,480
sorry

3172
01:47:09,990 --> 01:47:07,840
evidence of our scientific evidence of

3173
01:47:12,310 --> 01:47:10,000
our 800 000 year old alien legacy they

3174
01:47:14,390 --> 01:47:12,320
can get from either on amazon or my

3175
01:47:16,550 --> 01:47:14,400
website hybridhumans.net

3176
01:47:19,350 --> 01:47:16,560
and they can get a download of that as a

3177
01:47:20,550 --> 01:47:19,360
as a kindle or pdf at the moment um so

3178
01:47:22,070 --> 01:47:20,560
yeah i mean if any of those and

3179
01:47:26,709 --> 01:47:22,080
obviously if they want to follow me i'd

3180
01:47:28,790 --> 01:47:26,719
suggest twitter where i am exogenesis hh

3181
01:47:31,910 --> 01:47:28,800
is my handle there um that's the best

3182
01:47:35,270 --> 01:47:31,920
one i'm on facebook and my website's

3183
01:47:37,030 --> 01:47:35,280
bruce fenton.info ancientnews.net

3184
01:47:47,350 --> 01:47:37,040
and again hybridhumans.net so they can

3185
01:47:51,830 --> 01:47:49,590
i want to thank my guest tonight

3186
01:47:54,470 --> 01:47:51,840
bruce fenton what an amazing

3187
01:47:55,910 --> 01:47:54,480
conversation

3188
01:47:58,149 --> 01:47:55,920
i'll be thinking about some of the

3189
01:48:02,070 --> 01:47:58,159
things we talked about for quite some

3190
01:48:06,310 --> 01:48:04,470
i'm gonna look a little deeper into some

3191
01:48:10,390 --> 01:48:06,320
of these things

3192
01:48:15,910 --> 01:48:12,950
sometimes the search for truth is its

3193
01:48:24,550 --> 01:48:15,920
own reward

3194
01:48:31,109 --> 01:48:28,229
oftentimes on the show friends i end my

3195
01:48:32,629 --> 01:48:31,119
broadcast by mentioning that our time is

3196
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:32,639
running short

3197
01:48:37,189 --> 01:48:34,320
and it would appear

3198
01:48:40,149 --> 01:48:37,199
that our time on the midnight hour show

3199
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:40,159
is truly running short

3200
01:48:45,750 --> 01:48:42,560
there are just four more episodes of the

3201
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:45,760
midnight hour show to go

3202
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:46,800
before

3203
01:48:52,870 --> 01:48:49,770
we end this journey and begin a new one

3204
01:48:55,350 --> 01:48:52,880
[Music]

3205
01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:55,360
i started this show

3206
01:49:01,510 --> 01:48:58,080
four years ago

3207
01:49:02,950 --> 01:49:01,520
and since then i have done my very best

3208
01:49:04,790 --> 01:49:02,960
to

3209
01:49:08,790 --> 01:49:04,800
search for the truth

3210
01:49:14,310 --> 01:49:08,800
and bring you my friends along with me

3211
01:49:19,750 --> 01:49:16,709
every journey has a start

3212
01:49:24,070 --> 01:49:19,760
and so i suppose every journey must

3213
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:26,950
i cannot tell you how much

3214
01:49:29,940 --> 01:49:28,960
being able to do this show has meant to

3215
01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:29,950
me

3216
01:49:33,910 --> 01:49:31,679
[Music]

3217
01:49:36,149 --> 01:49:33,920
doing this show really kept me going

3218
01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:36,159
really kept me motivated

3219
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:38,400
i had to keep searching

3220
01:49:43,830 --> 01:49:40,400
and share the journey

3221
01:49:47,350 --> 01:49:43,840
with my friends

3222
01:49:50,550 --> 01:49:47,360
they say the journey is its own reward

3223
01:49:53,589 --> 01:49:50,560
i believe that

3224
01:49:55,030 --> 01:49:53,599
i would not trade this experience

3225
01:49:57,830 --> 01:49:55,040
for anything

3226
01:50:00,629 --> 01:49:57,840
the people i've gotten to meet

3227
01:50:03,030 --> 01:50:00,639
the answers that i have went looking for

3228
01:50:05,669 --> 01:50:03,040
and actually found

3229
01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:05,679
what an amazing journey it has been

3230
01:50:08,070 --> 01:50:06,490
friends

3231
01:50:10,149 --> 01:50:08,080
[Music]

3232
01:50:14,070 --> 01:50:10,159
but i'm looking forward to new

3233
01:50:15,300 --> 01:50:14,080
challenges new mountains to climb

3234
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:15,310
new questions

3235
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:16,560
[Music]

3236
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:20,320
and new answers to search for

3237
01:50:24,950 --> 01:50:22,239
i want to thank my friends at the fringe

3238
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fm who welcomed me into their fold and

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01:50:31,589 --> 01:50:27,760
did an amazing job helping me grow this

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thing into something more than it was

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01:50:35,189 --> 01:50:34,000
having an outlet for the things i was

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working on

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it just meant everything to me

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there was a place

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that wanted to hear what i was doing

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01:50:46,810 --> 01:50:44,320
that would help me

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01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:46,820
bridge the gap and get to more listeners

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[Music]

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and now my friends

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[Music]

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the journey's gonna continue we have

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01:50:58,850 --> 01:50:57,280
four more episodes of the midnight hour

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show to go

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[Music]

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and i hope that you will join me for

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01:51:14,629 --> 01:51:12,310
well friends i want to thank you for

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01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:14,639
once again joining us here on the

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01:51:23,030 --> 01:51:20,470
coming up on our show friends we have

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01:51:25,910 --> 01:51:23,040
some amazing interviews

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01:51:28,310 --> 01:51:25,920
uh i have an interview with john mcafee

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01:51:31,430 --> 01:51:28,320
an interview with cliff high and an

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01:51:34,390 --> 01:51:31,440
interview with walter bosley ready to go

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01:51:36,229 --> 01:51:34,400
for the next few episodes

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01:51:38,310 --> 01:51:36,239
i gotta tell you friends

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01:51:40,790 --> 01:51:38,320
maybe i saved the best for last because

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01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:40,800
these interviews are really

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01:51:46,070 --> 01:51:43,280
really good and i cannot wait to share

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01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:46,080
them with you my friends

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01:51:50,390 --> 01:51:48,239
please do take a moment to like our

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01:51:53,270 --> 01:51:50,400
facebook page just search for the

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01:51:56,070 --> 01:51:53,280
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and also be sure to subscribe to our

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01:52:01,109 --> 01:51:58,320
youtube channel which is youtube

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01:52:04,070 --> 01:52:01,119
backslash stephen kambian there you will

3275
01:52:05,669 --> 01:52:04,080
find the archives of all of our

3276
01:52:08,629 --> 01:52:05,679
shows

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01:52:10,229 --> 01:52:08,639
and we're amazingly almost all caught up

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01:52:12,709 --> 01:52:10,239
now uh

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01:52:14,950 --> 01:52:12,719
i think there's one to go

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01:52:17,669 --> 01:52:14,960
which would be this one

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01:52:20,629 --> 01:52:17,679
to upload but be sure to subscribe at

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01:52:23,030 --> 01:52:20,639
youtube backslash stephencambion

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01:52:25,830 --> 01:52:23,040
i would really appreciate that

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01:52:28,629 --> 01:52:25,840
also you could visit us on patreon we

3285
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:28,639
are listener supported

3286
01:52:33,189 --> 01:52:30,719
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3287
01:52:34,870 --> 01:52:33,199
sign up on patreon and support our

3288
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:34,880
efforts here that

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01:52:39,030 --> 01:52:37,520
is also patreon backslash stephen

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01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:39,040
campion

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01:52:44,550 --> 01:52:42,320
or just search the artist box at patreon

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01:52:45,589 --> 01:52:44,560
for steven cambion for as little as a

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01:52:48,550 --> 01:52:45,599
dollar

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01:52:51,430 --> 01:52:48,560
you can support our show

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01:52:53,350 --> 01:52:51,440
and help us to

3296
01:52:55,830 --> 01:52:53,360
bring you this kind of content and my

3297
01:52:57,830 --> 01:52:55,840
patreon supporters really they get a

3298
01:52:59,669 --> 01:52:57,840
backstage pass and do many different

3299
01:53:02,629 --> 01:52:59,679
projects that i'm working on they get

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01:53:04,950 --> 01:53:02,639
free access to the shows before they air

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01:53:06,149 --> 01:53:04,960
they get free access to a show journal

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01:53:08,149 --> 01:53:06,159
every month

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01:53:11,109 --> 01:53:08,159
free access to

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01:53:13,990 --> 01:53:11,119
some previews of projects that i've got

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01:53:16,470 --> 01:53:14,000
in the works you guys if you

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01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:16,480
support me on patreon for as little as a

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01:53:23,270 --> 01:53:19,920
dollar you get a wealth of benefits

3308
01:53:26,470 --> 01:53:23,280
if you are interested in my work

3309
01:53:28,629 --> 01:53:26,480
and also a few have asked how to contact

3310
01:53:30,709 --> 01:53:28,639
me the best way to contact me is either

3311
01:53:33,910 --> 01:53:30,719
through twitter just search for stephen

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01:53:36,390 --> 01:53:33,920
campion or you can email us here at the

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01:53:38,830 --> 01:53:36,400
midnight hour show at midnight hour

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01:53:40,629 --> 01:53:38,840
radio show at

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01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:40,639
gmail.com

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01:53:45,669 --> 01:53:43,199
again that's midnight hour radio show at

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01:53:47,189 --> 01:53:45,679
gmail.com

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01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:47,199
i'm always interested in hearing from

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01:53:52,790 --> 01:53:50,320
our listeners so don't be afraid to

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01:53:55,350 --> 01:53:52,800
reach out

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01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:55,360
until next time folks i'm steven cambion

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01:54:12,709 --> 01:53:57,840
reminding you to stay patient and trust

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01:54:48,010 --> 01:54:42,950
so